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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25119158

interesting situation

Is this a case of political correctness gone mad?

or do homosexuals automatically have the gawd-given right to be catered to even if the hotel owner thinks different?

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That's been going on for months. Discrimination on the basis of race, colour or sexual orientation is illegal in the UK, snd that's why they were prosecuted, they aren't the first, but they should be the last hotel to discriminate as there is now a supreme court ruling that it is illegal to discriminate

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i see the point but it is their hotel after all isn't it?

the gay couple could have picked another place to stay surely when they were not welcomed?

who wants to stay at a hotel when one is told one is persona non grata?

bottom line here is this: which rights should predominate?

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It's discrimination.

Would those who think it's daft say the same if a black couple were rebuffed ?

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But my question is this: is it really discrimination?

the hotel owners have certain beliefs and values?

so under these circumstances whose rights should predominate?

seems to me to be a grey area and not that not clear cut

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The hotel is open to the public to book, if you book a double room, and then two womwn turned up, then I bet they wouldn't have rejected them, but because it was two men, then they were told, sorry we can't honour your booking. Most people when booking a hotel room just ring up and ask to book a double room, they don't feel they have to say they are two men, or two women, or a mixed gender couple.
Discrimination is illegal, end of, and they were rightly taken to court, and have rightly lost.

There were perhaps a number of gay couple who had been turned away before, but had just accepted it, this couple felt it was worth making a stand about, and I fully agree with them.

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Their beliefs in imaginary friends in the sky is not law, discrimination is. As Mike put it, end of.

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No, it's not a grey area, discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is ILLEGAL in the UK, doesn't matter what the orgaanisation is. A few years ago I was PRO for the British Naturism organisation, and we had a number of clubs who were members who were deiscriminating against single people and gay people, they were told if they wanted to continue as members and keep the advantages that gave them, then they had to change their rules. It came about because one club had turned away a gay couple, and were being taken to court, they wanted the organisation to provide legal aid for the club, we refused quoting the discrimination laws, and told asll clubs they had to change their rules, and they did.

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Just curious...of all the races, why did you pick Black? How about Oriental, Asian, Amazonian et al

It's all relative

Montreal Mike.....you said this "i see the point but it is their hotel after all isn't it?". Am guessing you have kids, brothers and sisters? If what you are saying is, and am assuming here? That in this day and age bigotry has a place?

What would you do if you son/daughter/brother/sister starts dating or marries someone that looks different?

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It's not relative at all. If you operate an hotel you cannot discriminate against guests based on race or sexual orientation. There's no sliding scale allowing the banning of this combination of races and only mildly brusque treatment of people of some other race or race(s).

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well I tell yer if I had a hotel/BB and needed the business for sure as hell would never discriminate against any paying customers - on second thoughts maybe chavs or those blathered out of their minds footy hooligans.

Then you have to look at the other side - would a gay run hotel discriminate against straight couples & in doing so would the straights scream bloody murder

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Errrm....that was for Tangram.

This coming from someone that made bigot comments about "Asian students" going to the U of T? :thumbdown:

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I will bloody well hope not...do you think Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Nike et al....bother about the colour of the people making them money? Heck look at the premiership, you are in business to make wonga, and as long as that wonga keeps rolling in, who cares who your customers are?

I think you will find that a Gay person is more tolerant in their business that the straight person.

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All they had to do was say they were full, or there'd been a double booking.... some people seem to invite trouble into thier lives!

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It was an example, that is all.

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going back to the OP, just on business basis - I wonder if the owners such as the ones in the link if they have ever thought to discourage customers to simply up the room rate or just say no room at the inn?

This is all for nowt & bloody stupid are those hotel owners imo if they are running a business where they likely see all kinds of funny goings on without worrying about gays occupying the rooms.

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eck!

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Who me ?

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:goodpost:

agree & was posting the same thing while you did that

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on post #11

maybe he meant me?

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I think he meant me but he's a bit clumsy in using English and so cannot see that a reference to ethnicity, e.g. "there are lots of Asian people in China" is not necessarily insulting, compare "I wouldn't move to China because there are lots of Asian people in China".

Dear Lord (if any), I hope they don't let him near hand grenades.

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I hope they don't let you anywhere near a diversed group....you think you are funny, obviously you ain't and others have pointed that out to you recently.

Your comment about University of Toronto being a dumping ground fror Asian students was just classic, and then there was you Escalade comment with regards to Black people

You obviously live by stereotypes, and it's not surprising d(dead) b(beat) d(dad) :rofl:

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Well, yes, someone who chooses that poster name would likely know something about stereotypes.

Oh, and, of course, I said nothing of that nature.

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There's no need to get personal. Site Rules and all.

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Hurrah! Another Human! :)

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good.

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+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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This is a situation where the public mood/opinion has very much moved on from where it was even a decade ago, let alone several decades ago. The court rulings establish in black in white who's values predominate. There is no longer any issue on it, although as with every aspect of living in a society, some will disagree.

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A very very very wise man once said this...

Oh yeah....usual suspects, just google it :D

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Why not just attribute the quotation? I don't think I'll bother looking it up this time, as without knowing who said it, I haven't bothered reading it.

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Oscar Wilde. On another bad day.

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Or is the same sex??

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Thank you...that too.

Am not holding my breathe on a sincere answer by the way, but still just wanted to post the question.

As any rational person will know, happiness in relationships is not restricted to someone that looks like you, and if you are foolish enough to let difference in colour impact your dating decision even when the person happens to meet all your checks in the box, then that is a real shame.

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"Action Man seeks person for long term relationship, open to any race, gender or configuration, must have tax returns showing last five year's of income within 5% of own (will make exception of 1% of net in one year for large and uncut)".

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I like this ,very well put.What they going to do if they get to heaven and there are gay people there or are gays not allowed in like their B&B?

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First of all I agree with the ruling but what is discrimination?
dis·crim·i·na·tion [dih-skrim-uh-ney-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
an act or instance of discriminating, or of making a distinction.
2.
treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
3.
the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.
4.
Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.

Is certain discrimination allowed in law you betcha it is yet we seem to be fine with this:confused:

Lets use these few examples
Gang colours being worn in pubs especially in Canada
Women only gymnasiums
Membership requirements of certain Credit Unions and Royal Canadian Legions
NEXUS membership
Visiting football supporters banned from pubs
Dress codes for certain establishments

Can we argue that some of the above are discriminative?

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all of that & more endless & within the law - in fact,being run of the mill normal (whatever normal is these days) its likely a person can be discriminated against.

anyone remember the lyrics in the song by the 'Five man electrical band' titled "signs"

http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/fi...and/signs.html

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True that....usually preceded by the words, "I am not racist, but.....), or "How can I be racist/bigot, I have loadd of <insert race/gender/sexual orientation> friends :D

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They were not asking to be catered to, they were simply asking to be treated the same as everyone else. If they had been black and the owners had refused them would you think they were asking to be catered to?

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Oh goody, another moral indignation thread! :thumbsup: