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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 11019105)
No but better English might. I can't make out what you are trying to say.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by jimf
(Post 11019049)
Obviously one incident with a religious motivation is one too many. However, if the proportion is tiny then it suggests that the "problem" caused by religion is somewhere near the bottom of the list though.
Christian theology and doctrine has always been in a state of evolution. I dealt with my personal opinion at the top of the thread. I am on no crusade to demonise and belittle believers either though. I have in laws who have been in a same gender relationship for nearly 3 decades. They are regular church attenders and have lay positions within the church. They don't find the two aspects to their lives incompatible. What is the implication of doctrine always being in a state of evolution? That it is merely a system of morality? Is that it's purpose and principal benefit? Does it mean that there is actually no god? Did look at the first five pages of the thread, but could not find your opinion. Perhaps it was another thread. I am also not on a crusade to demonise or belittle believers, but I am on a crusade to dispute incoherent beliefs. I find it fascinating that so many people refuse to think, and enjoy challenging their refusal. It's great that your inlaws are accepted by their church. A reasonably enlightened priest and congregation it would seem, and a good example for other churches to follow. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11018954)
I think there's enough laxity in the theology of Islam and Christianity that one can interpret incinerating a few non-believers as being within bounds.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by George1987
(Post 11018366)
It is not fight for the term marriage is not what is important it is an equal footing and being afforded the same benefits and rights as a heterosexual marriage
Originally Posted by George1987
(Post 11018369)
That's the most pathetic answer I have ever read, and it only came about as you can't answer with a logical argument
'Gay marriage' a Marxist utopian dream divorced from reality A key Marxist objective is the destruction of the traditional family, it has nothing to do with gays, they couldn't care less about you. They want to destroy the family. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11019223)
If that were true I would say great, now we're getting somewhere. But it's not true is it? Because if it was you would be lobbying for your own version of marriage - which in most western countries gays already have anyway.
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. My point was you can't change the key ingredients of something - altering it's very nature and expect to call it the same thing. If you can't understand that logical argument (or maybe in your case: don't want to) then it's your problem. 'Gay marriage' a Marxist utopian dream divorced from reality A key Marxist objective is the destruction of the traditional family, it has nothing to do with gays, they couldn't care less about you. They want to destroy the family. http://youtube.com/watch?v=G_df5ymco...A84106&index=2 |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11019223)
If that were true I would say great, now we're getting somewhere. But it's not true is it? Because if it was you would be lobbying for your own version of marriage - which in most western countries gays already have anyway.
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. My point was you can't change the key ingredients of something - altering it's very nature and expect to call it the same thing. If you can't understand that logical argument (or maybe in your case: don't want to) then it's your problem. 'Gay marriage' a Marxist utopian dream divorced from reality A key Marxist objective is the destruction of the traditional family, it has nothing to do withki gays, they couldn't care less about you. They want to destroy the family. http://youtube.com/watch?v=G_df5ymco...A84106&index=2 The Vatican claptrap you linked to also says women do not have the same rights as men. Marriage is about mutual support, companionship, love, some people add in sex and or children but they aren't essential to a good marriage. Nor are two genders. Such bigotry and condescension in your post, very few Christian values. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 11019223)
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. My point was you can't change the key ingredients of something - altering it's very nature and expect to call it the same thing. If you can't understand that logical argument (or maybe in your case: don't want to) then it's your problem.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 11019274)
The Vatican claptrap you linked to also says women do not have the same rights as men.
Marriage is about mutual support, companionship, love, some people add in sex and or children but they aren't essential to a good marriage. Nor are two genders. |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 11019105)
No but better English might. I can't make out what you are trying to say.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by fuchs01
(Post 11019335)
Please help me and correct it.:):o
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11019337)
Fuchs are you German?
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by fuchs01
(Post 11019347)
Naaaa mein Herr.
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11019355)
What is your avatar? It looks like a large vending machine.
all of them.I wanted to make a larger picture, but like my English, it failed. Scheise !! |
Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by not2old
(Post 11018563)
A good giggle now & then can 'warm the cockles of your heart' or soul
A frock by any other name (dress) first depicted in the 6th century as being male gender [from the light up above], having a beard, dinosaur thinker, not on facebook, being unable to tweet, without having the ability to travel by mass transit, nor on a plane or have driven a car & who knows maybe JC was LGBT. All of the above cannot be dis-proven. Did Jesus ever exist or is it all a fable?
Originally Posted by geedee
(Post 11018604)
Doesn't really matter, does it? The message is more important than the messenger....;)
Originally Posted by not2old
(Post 11018669)
of course which is what this thread is all about
Originally Posted by Tangram
(Post 11018701)
Is it ? I thought it was about a couple who were unfairly and unlawfully refused accommodation because of their sexual orientation ?
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Re: gays not welcomed
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11019262)
Er, what's Marxism got to do with it? No one here is a Marxist.
A2: That's a sweeping statement. How do you know that? Besides, you don't need to be a Marxist to be used for the agenda of Marxists.
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 11019274)
Such bigotry and condescension in your post, very few Christian values.
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11019329)
Could it be that it's you that doesn't want to understand that times change, and so too do the meanings of words to reflect the changes. Whilst marriage has historically related to man and woman, what is wrong with expanding it to include two individuals of the same gender? They were excluded in the past as marriage related to procreation, but these days that is a very narrow definition of marriage. In any case, half the people that are swearing to (their) god that they will stay together until "death us do part" are getting divorced within a few years of that very oath. If there is flexibility on the oath, surely there can be flexibility on the term marriage too.
Why is it only those who have traditional values are required to be tolerant and compromising? Surely it should work both ways? |
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