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The hotel policy was to not accommodate all non married couples not just same gender couples.

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And Bin Ladin was undoubtedly a Muslim. In all three cases, if they had been better adherents to their religion they would not have done what they did.

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Did they check IDs? Anyway they aren't allowed to marry, yet.

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How about those two South London young men that murdered Lee Rigby. What was it that warped their mind to the point where they decided to commit a brutal murder. Religion. Islam to be precise. Murder is not permitted under C of E rules (thou shalt not kill, and all that).

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How many murders were committed in the UK last year? How many would you likely think had a religious motivation or association?

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That's all in the interpretation of the religion, I think there's enough laxity in the theology of Islam and Christianity that one can interpret incinerating a few non-believers as being within bounds. That said, I was only disputing the departed poster's claim that people could not be truly religious and destructive at the same time, I wasn't asserting that the religion caused, or even influenced, the destructive behavior.

Sticking with Catholicism for a moment, I think we can agree that paedophile priests are destructive, I suspect we can agree that popes who keep such behaviour secret are destructive. All involved are properly, definitively, Catholic. They're not evil because they're Catholic, being good or bad is independent of one's religion.

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Agreed. It is a concept that some seem to stuggle with.

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Would it matter? Even if the proportion in tiny, even one murder that has been brought about by religious reasons it too many. There are always going to be murders due to human emotions (rage, jealousy, etc) but a murder or child abuse that is motivated by religious belief is a tragedy that could be prevented with enlightenment. We don't burn witches any more, but there was time when religion recommended that we do just that. Christian religion is being watered down to suit the times, my view (since I see it as a big fiction) is that we need to accelerate that process. Are you a believer??

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There will always be good people who do good; and evil people who do bad; but for a good person to do evil, you need religion.

Can't recall the source of the quote, but there is some truth in it.

For the Catholic pedo's in your example, it's not the Church that has made them pedo, but the Church that has elevated their status and has brainwashed the young boys to respect them that facilitates the abuse.

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Religion and religious belief can be a very flexible thing. I remember one guy at work sounding off about gays & lesbians and how they offended his catholic faith.

He then got very stroppy when asked how being an unmarried parent of two meshed with his apparently "devout" faith.

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Obviously one incident with a religious motivation is one too many. However, if the proportion is tiny then it suggests that the "problem" caused by religion is somewhere near the bottom of the list though.

Christian theology and doctrine has always been in a state of evolution.

I dealt with my personal opinion at the top of the thread. I am on no crusade to demonise and belittle believers either though.

I have in laws who have been in a same gender relationship for nearly 3 decades. They are regular church attenders and have lay positions within the church. They don't find the two aspects to their lives incompatible.

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Sometimes people use faith to justify their homophobia (even to themselves). If he is from rural Alberta, it's probably culture speaking, more than faith.

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:goodpost:

The term marriage, is that exact area , where somegroups want to protect, other groups, believe it is their right in law to aspire towards, others again believe its the only way to show the differences .
Personally I have no hard-headed stance on this, but humans no matter, what their
preferences, will fight and demonstrate, to gain recognition to have their rights accepted, if not understood.

There are here factions who argue to and fro on the Term MARRIAGE/MATRIMONY
For many years the church or religious flocks, layed ownership and paths to this
Union or contract. Then states with or without pro religious scenarios, made
Marriage a right of law.

There are are people, and I am sure some on this site, who got married in a church
but left any relegious thoughts and beliefs behind well before they gave the yes word.

Now I am leaving what I and montreal.mike just mentioned, standing as it is....
I have no self-opionated, or rightious stance on this, I suppose it will run its
Course. I dont even think a smiley would help..

Re: gays not welcomed
 

:goodpost:

The term marriage, is that exact area , where somegroups want to protect, other groups, believe it is their right in law to aspire towards, others again believe its the only way to show the differences .
Personally I have no hard-headed stance on this, but humans no matter, what their
preferences, will fight and demonstrate, to gain recognition to have their rights accepted, if not understood.

There are here factions who argue to and fro on the Term MARRIAGE/MATRIMONY
For many years the church or religious flocks, layed ownership and paths to this
Union or contract. Then states with or without pro religious scenarios, made
Marriage a right of law.

There are are people, and I am sure some on this site, who got married in a church
but left any relegious thoughts and beliefs behind well before they gave the yes word.

Now I am leaving what I and montreal.mike just mentioned, standing as it is....
I have no self-opionated, or rightious stance on this, I suppose it will run its
Course. I dont even think a smiley would help..

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No but better English might. I can't make out what you are trying to say.