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Old Jan 11th 2015 | 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
Would you apply the same criteria to American mainstream Christians towards the lunatic fringe Christian Right in their own country?

Thought not.
Yes, why not?

Not that that is a relevant example.
 
Old Jan 11th 2015 | 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by Shard
Yes, why not?

Not that that is a relevant example.
It's a very relevant example of your vacuity around this subject.
 
Old Jan 11th 2015 | 11:03 am
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Originally Posted by magnumpi
Who said they should apologise? Huh !!!

I think if the moderate Islamic followers condemned the actions of the few, then maybe the small % of extremists would think twice about shouting out "Allah is great" and think WTF they are doing, before they shoot next time.

Same as they try to bring in a ban on Automatic weapons in the US after the shootings there. (Meaning an attempt is being made to stem the killing)
I'm pretty sure plenty of Muslims have condemned this.

I didn't see you condemning the rape that JamesM posted about, maybe you secretly support it yeah? I mean it's the only logical conclusion given a moderate man like yourself says nothing. Perhaps if you condemned rapists more then maybe they'd think WTF am I doing before they rape somebody.
 
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In the same theme as his letter (if he's for real) I didn't notice huge participation from the Muslim community in today's French demonstrations. Only caught bits of it on TV, but given that 8% of French are Muslim, why were there not mass "not in our name" demonstrations? Plenty of individuals commiserating and saddened, even angry, but their community needs to mobilise and try to crush the fundamentalist ideology.
lets see, there was the brother of the murdered cop, the muslim guy who helped people to hide. There were these guys

French imams rail against 'crazies who have seized our religion'
 
Old Jan 11th 2015 | 11:16 am
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Originally Posted by Novocastrian
It's a very relevant example of your vacuity around this subject.
Likewise.

Saw this the other day:

Three kind of deniers:
- Darwin deniers
- Climate-change deniers
- Jihad deniers


You've conquered the first two, one more to go.
 
Old Jan 11th 2015 | 11:18 am
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What is a jihad denier?
 
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Originally Posted by bats
lets see, there was the brother of the murdered cop, the muslim guy who helped people to hide. There were these guys

French imams rail against 'crazies who have seized our religion'
A small step in the right direction. Looking forward to a million French muslims marching on this topic. As Caretaker suggested, it's early days, so it may yet happen.

My point is that moderates need to be more vocal and more effective than they have been. Plenty of individuals and imams express anger and frustration here and there (and so they should).
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
What is a jihad denier?
Someone who denies that jihad (in the "holy war") sense is taking place.
 
Old Jan 11th 2015 | 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
What is a jihad denier?
Fairly thick, at least a 100 I would say otherwise it wouldn't be dense enough to make a burka
 
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A small step in the right direction. Looking forward to a million French muslims marching on this topic. As Caretaker suggested, it's early days, so it may yet happen.

My point is that moderates need to be more vocal and more effective than they have been. Plenty of individuals and imams express anger and frustration here and there (and so they should).
count up will you?
Paris march balloons into France’s largest demonstration ever, with up to 1.6 million people flooding streets | National Post

see if the demographics are ok for you

60 million French people and only 1.6 out there demonstrating? Those moderate Christians should be more vocal

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Originally Posted by Shard
Someone who denies that jihad (in the "holy war") sense is taking place.
Eh? Everyone can see what is happening, does it really matter how they characterize it?

I dislike religion as much as the next atheist, but it seems to me that you are letting rhetoric cloud your judgement a little. As Novo says you appear to be holding this ideology to a different standard to others.

Did you demand any kind of demonstrations (let alone "million man" ones) when the Catholics were busy diddling kids?
 
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Originally Posted by bats
count up will you?
Paris march balloons into France’s largest demonstration ever, with up to 1.6 million people flooding streets | National Post

see if the demographics are ok for you

60 million French people and only 1.6 out there demonstrating? Those moderate Christians should be more vocal
I've been watching it on TV. Many people. No demographic info, unfortunately.

Everyone can be more vocal against fundamentalist Islam, but it is the moderate Muslims who must be most vocal. They, presumably, have the expert knowledge to counter the arguments of the fundamentalists.
 
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Originally Posted by Shard
I've been watching it on TV. Many people. No demographic info, unfortunately.

Everyone can be more vocal against fundamentalist Islam, but it is the moderate Muslims who must be most vocal. They, presumably, have the expert knowledge to counter the arguments of the fundamentalists.
Why must they? Why must people who have done nothing wrong do anything?
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I'm pretty sure plenty of Muslims have condemned this.

I didn't see you condemning the rape that JamesM posted about, maybe you secretly support it yeah? I mean it's the only logical conclusion given a moderate man like yourself says nothing. Perhaps if you condemned rapists more then maybe they'd think WTF am I doing before they rape somebody.
I missed that one, I may have condemned the rape but as I said I missed it so can't comment.

I did add that we should make it difficult to obtain guns when the last US shooting took place. But that won't happen.

If you take time to read the name of THIS thread, you will notice it's a hint as to what it's about, it is a thread on what to do about "Islamic" fundamentalists. Hence why some have mentioned that scenario more than the Christians or rapes or world wars or pollution in China.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
...you appear to be holding this ideology to a different standard to others....
Doesn't this ideology (the extreme part) hold itself to a different standard?

Their actions - 10 year old suicide bombers, gun attacks on offices and supermarkets, hacking people to death, beheading, flying jets into skyscrapers etc - are somewhat more extreme than what we see from the lunatic christian right I reckon.
 


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