Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
Jan 11th 2015 | 2:52 pm
#226
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Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
A bishop walks into a mosque.
The imam says "Why the wrong faith?"
The imam says "Why the wrong faith?"
Jan 11th 2015 | 2:54 pm
#227
Born again atheist
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From: Europe (to be specified).
Jan 11th 2015 | 3:03 pm
#228
limey party pooper
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The only progress that Islam has made as a religion is the use of bomb vests,and firearms,otherwise it is a religion which has not adapted to the times.
Yes other religions have had violent bloody pasts,the keyword being 'past',Islam needs to change in order to fit into a modern world,sadly the people who follow Islam seem unwilling to bring their backward religion into modern times,instead wishing to live in the past,which is where the problems are seeded.
I agree that if Muslims come to western countries that they should abide by western laws,not backward medieval religious views and followings that so obviously separate them from the rest of the modern world.
I noticed some people saying that Muslims should be allowed halal meat in the western countries,yet I have noticed some of those people bitch about people who hunt,why is that? A hunter tries his/her best to dispatch an animal quickly and humanely,halal prepared meat is the opposite,a Muslim has no idea if their meat has been slowly bled to death or instantly ended,yet they demand their food to suffer.
Not all Muslims are bad people,but the majority of them feel that Shariah law supersedes the laws of any other,again this is a major problem and until Islamic attitudes change we are going to continue to have problems.
Other than Muslims bringing their religion into the 21st century willingly,and adapting to the countries in which they choose to live I don't really see anything changing in their attitudes.
Western governments have been too fast to bend to Islamic demands which in turn has caused more problems as well.
Yes other religions have had violent bloody pasts,the keyword being 'past',Islam needs to change in order to fit into a modern world,sadly the people who follow Islam seem unwilling to bring their backward religion into modern times,instead wishing to live in the past,which is where the problems are seeded.
I agree that if Muslims come to western countries that they should abide by western laws,not backward medieval religious views and followings that so obviously separate them from the rest of the modern world.
I noticed some people saying that Muslims should be allowed halal meat in the western countries,yet I have noticed some of those people bitch about people who hunt,why is that? A hunter tries his/her best to dispatch an animal quickly and humanely,halal prepared meat is the opposite,a Muslim has no idea if their meat has been slowly bled to death or instantly ended,yet they demand their food to suffer.
Not all Muslims are bad people,but the majority of them feel that Shariah law supersedes the laws of any other,again this is a major problem and until Islamic attitudes change we are going to continue to have problems.
Other than Muslims bringing their religion into the 21st century willingly,and adapting to the countries in which they choose to live I don't really see anything changing in their attitudes.
Western governments have been too fast to bend to Islamic demands which in turn has caused more problems as well.
Jan 12th 2015 | 1:45 am
#230
Magnificently Withering
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Oakville, ON
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
I've been watching it on TV. Many people. No demographic info, unfortunately.
Everyone can be more vocal against fundamentalist Islam, but it is the moderate Muslims who must be most vocal. They, presumably, have the expert knowledge to counter the arguments of the fundamentalists.
Everyone can be more vocal against fundamentalist Islam, but it is the moderate Muslims who must be most vocal. They, presumably, have the expert knowledge to counter the arguments of the fundamentalists.
Jan 12th 2015 | 2:54 am
#231
Dive Bar Drunk
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From: Toronto
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
And along comes British radio to solve the debate:
audioBoom / A James O’Brien masterclass in how to deal with people demanding that Muslims apologise for #Charliehebdo
audioBoom / A James O’Brien masterclass in how to deal with people demanding that Muslims apologise for #Charliehebdo
Jan 12th 2015 | 3:19 am
#232
Nuther day in paradise.ca
Joined: Aug 2008
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From: Ajax, Ontario
Re: Fundamentalism - What to do about Islamic....
And along comes British radio to solve the debate:
audioBoom / A James O’Brien masterclass in how to deal with people demanding that Muslims apologise for #Charliehebdo
audioBoom / A James O’Brien masterclass in how to deal with people demanding that Muslims apologise for #Charliehebdo
Jan 12th 2015 | 3:24 am
#233
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He is right, Muslims need not apologise for these atrocities. They should however state that these are atrocities, by the few crazy people, and should never happen in the name of Allah. Same as we all argued how bad guns are when a mass school shoot takes place or when we all have a good moan about shooting wild deer while out hunting
Jan 12th 2015 | 3:39 am
#234
Nuther day in paradise.ca
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From: Ajax, Ontario
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I'm still not sure if you are pro terrorist or against it? Maybe you are for the "freedom" to be a terrorists and any one who try's to stop some one is in breach of their human rights?
Can u just clarify for us please ? Yes or no is all that is required not some snide remark made up to impress your BFF Novo or Bats.
Can u just clarify for us please ? Yes or no is all that is required not some snide remark made up to impress your BFF Novo or Bats.
Jan 12th 2015 | 3:55 am
#235
Realist
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From: UK
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I liked your quip about the burqa (#204) was laughing about it in the car today.
What am I doing about things? Not much and not enough. Trying to persuade Western liberals that they should be less tolerant of ideologies which in fact contradict their liberal ideals. Refusing to put my head in the sand and being sceptical.
What am I doing about things? Not much and not enough. Trying to persuade Western liberals that they should be less tolerant of ideologies which in fact contradict their liberal ideals. Refusing to put my head in the sand and being sceptical.
Jan 12th 2015 | 3:58 am
#236
Dive Bar Drunk
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From: Toronto
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I think you should all take it in turn to apologise for what happened last week.
Jan 12th 2015 | 4:09 am
#237
Realist
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From: UK
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How can you tell, from watching a crowd on TV, which ones are the Muslims? Not all followers of Islam (especially, to your point, the moderate ones) do not wear anything so convenient as a burqa, or even a little yellow star, to identify them. There may have been many tens of thousands in the Paris march: do you suppose that they should all have been carrying a "je suis mussulman: je suis français: je suis charlie" placard?
My point is that moderates can't on one hand claim that Islam is the religion of peace or that fundamentalists have hijacked their religion, and then make only token efforts to bring about change. Their religion (whether it is of peace or not) is seriously ****ing up Western society and they need to be part of the solution not part of the problem. They don't need to apologise they need to proactively help extinguish the fundamentalist threat. Part of that is being seen and raising their voice.
With luck, you are right, there in fact were hundreds of thousands of France's 4 million Muslims at the demonstrations and they will continue to protest loudly.
Jan 12th 2015 | 4:11 am
#238
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I'm still not sure if you are pro terrorist or against it? Maybe you are for the "freedom" to be a terrorists and any one who try's to stop some one is in breach of their human rights?
Can u just clarify for us please ? Yes or no is all that is required not some snide remark made up to impress your BFF Novo or Bats.
Can u just clarify for us please ? Yes or no is all that is required not some snide remark made up to impress your BFF Novo or Bats.
Is that clear enough for you?
Jan 12th 2015 | 4:12 am
#239
Dive Bar Drunk
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,671
From: Toronto
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It's a fair question, and maybe the crowd was full of Muslims. However, given the BBC's desire to present a very "balanced" view on all matters Islamic, if their were a large group of say hijab wearing demonstrators then it would be surprising if they were not front and centre of news reports.
My point is that moderates can't on one hand claim that Islam is the religion of peace or that fundamentalists have hijacked their religion, and then make only token efforts to bring about change. Their religion (whether it is of peace or not) is seriously ****ing up Western society and they need to be part of the solution not part of the problem. They don't need to apologise they need to proactively help extinguish the fundamentalist threat. Part of that is being seen and raising their voice.
With luck, you are right, there in fact were hundreds of thousands of France's 4 million Muslims at the demonstrations and they will continue to protest loudly.
My point is that moderates can't on one hand claim that Islam is the religion of peace or that fundamentalists have hijacked their religion, and then make only token efforts to bring about change. Their religion (whether it is of peace or not) is seriously ****ing up Western society and they need to be part of the solution not part of the problem. They don't need to apologise they need to proactively help extinguish the fundamentalist threat. Part of that is being seen and raising their voice.
With luck, you are right, there in fact were hundreds of thousands of France's 4 million Muslims at the demonstrations and they will continue to protest loudly.
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