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Jerseygirl Apr 5th 2020 2:37 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
I get a script for 2 x 3 months meds every 6 months.

dave_j Apr 5th 2020 6:55 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12833242)
My point about an interruption in supplies was that yes, it's the same quantity overall but if three months are dished out to two thirds of the people needing the meds and then the supply is interrupted and it's all gone, then those who would be about due to get their three months worth cannot and may not get any.
Whereas if the others have only been allowed one month at a time, then everyone has something to be going on with while they await further supplies.
It's the same thinking behind the bog paper when some couldn't get any because others took more than was needed.
Why are you so sure they are not allowing for the possibility of shortages? We've just seen the US getting medical supplies intended for Germany and Canada.

Look at it logically and make a few assumptions. At the moment from Worldometers there are 14k cases of C19 in Canada with 233 deaths and an average very recent death rate of 50/day. It'll increase with time. If we assume that the death rate increases by 10%/day with a peak in about 2 weeks then there'll be a maximum death rate of about 200/day. If we assume that this continues for 3 months at this rate, ie with no fall, and if we further assume 50% of all canadians have at least one regular prescription (true), or about 15 million, then we are talking about a possible maximum 'wastage' proportion of 90*200/15M = roughly 20k/15M or not very much.
There may be shortages, but decreasing the period whereby prescriptions are drawn and tripling the cost overall does nothing but increase the rate at which those who need to pay transfer their hard earned to to the pharmaceutical money making machine that is your local pharmacist.
The health industry has identified the C19 crisis as an opportunity to exploit us, and another example'll be along shortly. Keep watch, it's a con.

Jerseygirl Apr 5th 2020 1:11 pm

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Police were out in force yesterday on the Humber Bay waterfront. Ticketing parked cars...some had parked between the large traffic cones despite large notices attached. :rolleyes: They we’re moving people along, and asking people to leave the park.

Rete Apr 5th 2020 1:23 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12833287)
Look at it logically and make a few assumptions. At the moment from Worldometers there are 14k cases of C19 in Canada with 233 deaths and an average very recent death rate of 50/day. It'll increase with time. If we assume that the death rate increases by 10%/day with a peak in about 2 weeks then there'll be a maximum death rate of about 200/day. If we assume that this continues for 3 months at this rate, ie with no fall, and if we further assume 50% of all canadians have at least one regular prescription (true), or about 15 million, then we are talking about a possible maximum 'wastage' proportion of 90*200/15M = roughly 20k/15M or not very much.
There may be shortages, but decreasing the period whereby prescriptions are drawn and tripling the cost overall does nothing but increase the rate at which those who need to pay transfer their hard earned to to the pharmaceutical money making machine that is your local pharmacist.
The health industry has identified the C19 crisis as an opportunity to exploit us, and another example'll be along shortly. Keep watch, it's a con.


I realize it is the US but all my meds are written and filled to accomodate a 90 day period. The pharmacy must have monthly projections of what is needed or will be needed by using past reoccurring prescriptions . I rather doubt there will be a shortage of meds as you anticipate. Although that has occurred in my one eye drop for glaucoma. The demand worldwide is so high that the supply at the manufacturer's level. No new supply until after August and by then my remaining sight in one eye will be gone as none of the other eye drops can lower the pressure sufficiently.

Danny B Apr 5th 2020 2:26 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12833212)
Does anyone have a plan as to how we expose everyone to this, or is life never going to return to normal? I get that we have to keep the healthcare system going, but how is the future spike to be avoided?

Are the borders going to be permanently shut?

My opinion on this is that the world is keeping everyone at home as best they can (except for food shopping etc) until Italy & Spain start letting people out again. If it flares up again over there, we are back to the drawing board, and stuck inside for the Fall and Winter.

I'm really curious what will happen with Sweden if their 'experiment' works. If it turns out OK, Trump might just open everything up to protect what is left of the USA economy.

I'm also interested in what they will do for Novembers presidential vote. He might be extended in office if people cannot get out to vote. Who knows, everyone is living life one day at a time right now, including me.

Almost Canadian Apr 5th 2020 2:47 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12833471)
My opinion on this is that the world is keeping everyone at home as best they can (except for food shopping etc) until Italy & Spain start letting people out again. If it flares up again over there, we are back to the drawing board, and stuck inside for the Fall and Winter.

I'm really curious what will happen with Sweden if their 'experiment' works. If it turns out OK, Trump might just open everything up to protect what is left of the USA economy.

I'm also interested in what they will do for Novembers presidential vote. He might be extended in office if people cannot get out to vote. Who knows, everyone is living life one day at a time right now, including me.

The Netherlands appears to bucking the trend too.

I have to admit that I can't understand how there won't be a spike when the world returns to normal unless, of course, a vaccination has been produced by then.

dbd33 Apr 5th 2020 3:57 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12833471)

I'm also interested in what they will do for Novembers presidential vote. He might be extended in office if people cannot get out to vote. Who knows, everyone is living life one day at a time right now, including me.

A postal vote is the obvious answer but the GOP depends on low turnout so Trump has nixed that already.

BristolUK Apr 5th 2020 4:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12833287)
Look at it logically and make a few assumptions. At the moment from Worldometers there are 14k cases of C19 in Canada

As I said, there's always the chance of the US commandeering supplies intended for Canada like they already have.

But remember the drugs come from all over, they're not just made in Canada. The number of cases in Canada and whatever rate they may increase at is not the only factor. At the production point there could be absences affecting the quantity produced. At the transportation points there could be staff problems affecting the transportation. At the customs points there could be absences or other issues.....need I go on?

Canada and its citizens might suddenly develop total immunity. But that doesn't guarantee a supply at the same rate when so many other factors come into play.

JamesM Apr 5th 2020 6:12 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12833177)
NB?
I think it's the same as everywhere else, just lower numbers. We're only 776,000 in the province. The positive results tripled in 6 days at one point.

But being that much smaller, less dense, all the usual responses happened earlier so our peak may be less dramatic so long as people don't get complacent.

I suppose, when you consider the proportion of older people is much higher here than other provinces things could be worse.

I was referring to the BC situation.

Forgot to tick the quote message box.

dave_j Apr 5th 2020 6:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12833530)
As I said, there's always the chance of the US commandeering supplies intended for Canada like they already have.
But remember the drugs come from all over, they're not just made in Canada. The number of cases in Canada and whatever rate they may increase at is not the only factor. At the production point there could be absences affecting the quantity produced. At the transportation points there could be staff problems affecting the transportation. At the customs points there could be absences or other issues.....need I go on?
Canada and its citizens might suddenly develop total immunity. But that doesn't guarantee a supply at the same rate when so many other factors come into play.

Chicken Little might be right and the sky might fall, but this doesn't explain the fact that the same quanitity of drugs is prescribed no matter what the prescribing period is. Yes more drugs are prescribed PER PRESCRIPTION every three months as opposed to 30 days.. but it only happens a third of the time and these are staggered, they don't all happen at once. It's a scam.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 5th 2020 7:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12833471)
My opinion on this is that the world is keeping everyone at home as best they can (except for food shopping etc) until Italy & Spain start letting people out again. If it flares up again over there, we are back to the drawing board, and stuck inside for the Fall and Winter.

I'm really curious what will happen with Sweden if their 'experiment' works. If it turns out OK, Trump might just open everything up to protect what is left of the USA economy.

I'm also interested in what they will do for Novembers presidential vote. He might be extended in office if people cannot get out to vote. Who knows, everyone is living life one day at a time right now, including me.

Without amending the constitution, his term can't be extended without an election and automatically ends January 20 at 12 noon.

Even the delaying the election is not an easy task.

Seems to be the opinions of legal experts anyhow.

Why do so many people seem to think people can just stop paying their rent, like my in laws, the rule currently is you cannot be evicted during the state of emergency, however by not paying rent you lose a landlord reference and when renting a bad reference can mean not finding a new rental in the future, and once the state of emergency is lifted any past due rent will need to be paid in full or one will be evicted. The no eviction during the state of emergency isn't a get out of paying rent card.


caretaker Apr 5th 2020 7:16 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12833564)
Why do so many people seem to think people can just stop paying their rent, like my in laws, the rule currently is you cannot be evicted during the state of emergency, however by not paying rent you lose a landlord reference and when renting a bad reference can mean not finding a new rental in the future, and once the state of emergency is lifted any past due rent will need to be paid in full or one will be evicted. The no eviction during the state of emergency isn't a get out of paying rent card.

You mentioned before that they are a bit thick, so try not to let them get you down.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 5th 2020 8:04 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
I feel for the grocery store workers, having to work in a time like this for relatively low pay, risking their health so we can still get food.
article.

caretaker Apr 5th 2020 8:09 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
My neighbour works at an Independent in the bakery dept, and lately she's been working 8pm - 4am instead of days 8 - 5. I don't know if she's stocking or cleaning or if they want to get all the baking done before the store opens. At least she has the use of her mum's car for the time being as her shift ends before the bus starts running.

magnumpi Apr 5th 2020 8:18 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Boris admission to hospital with. Covid

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 5th 2020 8:21 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
What is wrong with people? A man in Quebec was apparently frustrated about the social distancing measures at Wal-Mart so hit a security guard with his car and then fled the scene, but was later arrested and charged, the security guard is in critical condition in hospital.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...-run-1.5522500


MillieF Apr 5th 2020 8:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
The BBC has just advised that Boris Johnson has just been admitted to hospital with C19.

BristolUK Apr 5th 2020 9:34 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12833560)
Chicken Little might be right and the sky might fall, but this doesn't explain the fact that the same quanitity of drugs is prescribed no matter what the prescribing period is. .

I haven't said it does. I have allowed for the possibility of a shortage - as has already happened very recently with medical supplies and over the last few months in Canada and completely unrelated with other drugs.

And if that happens at a time when people continue to collect three months at a time there will be some with up to three months worth and some with none.

It's really not rocket science.

Jerseygirl Apr 5th 2020 9:36 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12833600)
I feel for the grocery store workers, having to work in a time like this for relatively low pay, risking their health so we can still get food.
article.

I hope when all this is over people such as grocery store workers, nurses, etc get a decent wage which reflects how much we need/rely on them.

BristolUK Apr 5th 2020 9:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12833471)
I'm really curious what will happen with Sweden if their 'experiment' works.

Sweden prepares for possible tighter coronavirus measures as deaths rise

Sweden’s government is drawing up new legislation to allow it to take “extraordinary steps” to combat Covid-19, local media have reported, amid concern that its relatively soft approach may be leading to a higher death rate than in other Nordic countries. Denmark and Norway are among the many countries to have imposed tough lockdowns, closing borders and shutting schools and non-essential stores, and Finland has isolated its main urban area around Helsinki. But Swedes are still able to shop, go to restaurants, get haircuts and send children under 16 to class. On Sunday Sweden reported a total of 401 deaths so far from Covid-19, up 8% from Saturday and greater than the totals of its three Nordic neighbours combined.

BristolUK Apr 5th 2020 9:45 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 12833560)
It's a scam.

If that's all it is, why was it ever allowed to get three months at a time and once it had been, why so slow to reverse it?

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 5th 2020 11:59 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12833654)
If that's all it is, why was it ever allowed to get three months at a time and once it had been, why so slow to reverse it?

Seems more like a world wide supply chain issue and not Canada specific. If a pharmacy has to fill a prescription once per month, that takes labor, and cost to the pharmacy, they shouldn't be expected to do it for free. I would also assume if people are now filling every 30 days vs 90 days, this adds higher workload onto the pharmacists and techs and may need to work longer hours to meet the demand. Really doesn't look like a way to make more, seems like the pharmacies will actually end up doing more work and they should be paid for it. Drugs themselves are not huge profit makers for retail pharmacies, I have one medication where a month supply is $3.87 how could any pharmacy make a profit on that drug?

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...iption-limits/

There is also a shortage of OTC medications especially Tylenol and related because people are stocking up, like with TP.


Jerseygirl Apr 6th 2020 12:01 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12833725)
Seems more like a world wide supply chain issue and not Canada specific. If a pharmacy has to fill a prescription once per month, that takes labor, and cost to the pharmacy, they shouldn't be expected to do it for free. I would also assume if people are now filling every 30 days vs 90 days, this adds higher workload onto the pharmacists and techs and may need to work longer hours to meet the demand. Really doesn't look like a way to make more, seems like the pharmacies will actually end up doing more work and they should be paid for it. Drugs themselves are not huge profit makers for retail pharmacies, I have one medication where a month supply is $3.87 how could any pharmacy make a profit on that drug?

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...iption-limits/

There is also a shortage of OTC medications especially Tylenol and related because people are stocking up, like with TP.


I have never, ever paid pharmacy charges until I came to Canada...not in the US or UK. Ridiculous IMO. :thumbdown:

BristolUK Apr 6th 2020 12:20 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12833726)
I have never, ever paid pharmacy charges until I came to Canada...not in the US or UK. Ridiculous IMO. :thumbdown:

Same as bank charges I suppose - not with the US, of course.

It's even more weird that the very same drug/quantity has a different price between two retail pharmacies and a different processing fee too. :confused:

Why don't they just identify what profit margin they want and charge accordingly, just like any other retailer.


Jerseygirl Apr 6th 2020 12:38 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12833737)
Same as bank charges I suppose - not with the US, of course.

It's even more weird that the very same drug/quantity has a different price between two retail pharmacies and a different processing fee too. :confused:

Why don't they just identify what profit margin they want and charge accordingly, just like any other retailer.

never pay bank charges...here or US or UK.

Danny B Apr 6th 2020 1:12 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12833600)
I feel for the grocery store workers, having to work in a time like this for relatively low pay, risking their health so we can still get food.
article.

They should be given the same amount of appreciation as health care workers and first responders. Same for the farmers who grow the food, and the truckers who deliver the food. The forgotten heroes keeping us all fed.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 6th 2020 1:16 am

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12833726)
I have never, ever paid pharmacy charges until I came to Canada...not in the US or UK. Ridiculous IMO. :thumbdown:

Same, it was just my co-pay, never realized there were places where there was a filling fee. My co-pay at the time was $5 for generic and $10 for name brand up to a 90 day supply. At that time my monthly premiums was $0 as my employer paid premiums in full for single employees with no dependents.

Bank charges were new to me when I came to Canada as well, at the time monthly banking in the US was free at most banks, then when I came to Canada there really were no free options except PC Financial, unless one had a couple thousand in the bank at all times to meet the monthly minimum, or a mortgage, now there are more free options in Canada and many US banks have gone to monthly fees if certain criteria isn't met, but back then monthly fees were not something banks in California were doing.










scrubbedexpat091 Apr 6th 2020 1:53 am

Re: Coronavirus
 
These graphs from CBC

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...f0df37e4e.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...b02b04b8c.jpeg



Tangram Apr 6th 2020 1:55 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12833755)
They should be given the same amount of appreciation as health care workers and first responders. Same for the farmers who grow the food, and the truckers who deliver the food. The forgotten heroes keeping us all fed.

My Mrs has been in store everyday, usually 9 hour shift between cash and Pharmacy. I worry, the abuse some people give, let alone the dumb people who have come in straight from coming back from Florida - straight to the store to stock up BEFORE they self isolate. WTF.

Danny B Apr 6th 2020 2:42 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 12834027)
My Mrs has been in store everyday, usually 9 hour shift between cash and Pharmacy. I worry, the abuse some people give, let alone the dumb people who have come in straight from coming back from Florida - straight to the store to stock up BEFORE they self isolate. WTF.

I worry for my Wife too. She works at Canadian Tire but at least now they have installed some flexi glass to protect the cashiers. She still gets rude & ungrateful customers.

Closing the Ontario cdn tire stores has pretty much wiped out there website :lol: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en.html

BristolUK Apr 6th 2020 4:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12834047)

Closing the Ontario cdn tire stores has pretty much wiped out there website :lol:

What's their normal excuse? That's just about the worst store website I know.
You get the results, click on one of them to have a better look, back click and you don't get back to the same results page to carry on. Among other things.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 6th 2020 5:32 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12834092)
What's their normal excuse? That's just about the worst store website I know.
You get the results, click on one of them to have a better look, back click and you don't get back to the same results page to carry on. Among other things.

So true, so true. I hate their website so much and its been a complaint online from people for years.

Found a solution to the grocery time slot problem, Independent Grocery owned by Loblaws but franchises, but they have 2 stores in Vancouver, prices are higher but they have lots of pick up slots available.

Jerseygirl Apr 6th 2020 5:50 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12834119)
So true, so true. I hate their website so much and its been a complaint online from people for years.

Found a solution to the grocery time slot problem, Independent Grocery owned by Loblaws but franchises, but they have 2 stores in Vancouver, prices are higher but they have lots of pick up slots available.

Loblaws here charge 5% + min 5% tip for shopper and 3 other lots of fees one is $3.99 the other is around the same.

Danny B Apr 6th 2020 7:24 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
Poor old Boris.
Politics aside, I hope he pulls through.

sharkus Apr 6th 2020 7:43 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12834092)
What's their normal excuse? That's just about the worst store website I know.
You get the results, click on one of them to have a better look, back click and you don't get back to the same results page to carry on. Among other things.

It does amuse me to say that coming back after 6pm might be better. Umm, don't you think people will see the note and come back, in droves, after 6pm and overload things. You'd have thought they would have very solid infrastructure for their website.

magnumpi Apr 6th 2020 7:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 12834195)
Poor old Boris.
Politics aside, I hope he pulls through.


just heard he got worse, yeh hope he gets thru it

Paul_Shepherd Apr 6th 2020 8:07 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by magnumpi (Post 12834220)
just heard he got worse, yeh hope he gets thru it

Yes me too.

It just goes to show this virus seems to affect every individual differently......I don't think he has any underlying health conditions and is not old, and now this....... pretty scary.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 6th 2020 8:38 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 12834132)
Loblaws here charge 5% + min 5% tip for shopper and 3 other lots of fees one is $3.99 the other is around the same.

They don't charge anything for in store pick up, delivery with Loblaws owned stores (Super Store, Independent, No Frills etc) is done via instacart and it was $3.99 charge + minimum 5% tip.

Save On charges a flat delivery fee as low as $3.98 I think it is, depends on time of day, but its really hard to get a delivery or pick up slot with them unless you can wait 2-3 weeks for groceries. Save On use their own hourly employees to delivery, and they are not allowed to accept tips, but make a decent wage at $17/hr.

Super Store has been impossible to get pick up slots, but did manage to get 1 delivery slot Saturday, but independent store I found is in downtown west end, so its likely its location, lack of parking, not as well known to the masses keeping it a hidden secret still.




scrubbedexpat091 Apr 6th 2020 8:58 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
BC Update for the day.

1 new death over the last 48 hours.
140 in hospital with 72 in ICU
26 new cases recorded between Saturday and Sunday, and 37 new cases recorded between Sunday and Monday. (they don't report on Sunday's, so Monday's includes two 24 hour periods.)
Total cases now 1,266 (this includes those who have recovered, so this isn't total active cases)


Jerseygirl Apr 6th 2020 10:17 pm

Re: Coronavirus
 
$1,000 fine for sitting on park benches/chairs in Toronto.


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