Good find Noni, a good example of the hegemony that the DM is famous for.

But earlier on in this thread, when it was still "on topic" and fresh, you were telling us that words were very important, some were not "nice", others are now racist and others were politically correct..... or not

Incidentally, the Indian Constitution (written, of course, and in its English language version) is the longest in the world, at 117,369.

It was 117,370 until incorrupt was deleted..............innit?


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I am not sure of the relevance of connecting two totally different topics, or why you are 'dragging' both up again. I was quoting from a text book on Constitutional Law (of UK). I was trying to indicate that your school teacher was teaching at A level standard, he would perhaps try to simplify the subject. As it is quite complex.

Welcome to the BE site

No the truth.

Yep -- us n00bs here.

Which truth, what elements in the article are you referring to?
I think we are reading the article and taking different things from it, I am not sure what you have taken from it to conclude it as a truth. I am assuming to conclude that there is a 'truth' to the article, that there is some universal fact or viewpoint that the article paints.

Some cherry-picked facts, maybe.

We are supposed to be debating the "riots" .

I haven't had the impression that anyone has stated that peoples' skin colours have caused them to riot.
What is more apparent is that people are saying that there is no excuse for this riotous conduct, whatever social, racial or other background they come.
There is always too much blame culture attached to these issues such as blaming poverty or home conditions or the police etc etc.......
......when actually noone has stopped to recognise that every one of those who took part in the riots made a conscious choice to do so, knowing they were breaking the law, and either knowing the potential harm to people and property, or not caring about the harm to people and property.

Disenfranchised or not, they made a choice, and on that fact alone, there is no reason to excuse them. It is about time this country woke up and started to reject the lft wing drivel that makes excuses for these people just because they have no job or live on a council estate, or happen to be from a minority ethnic group.

Dread - x

Please don't take this as a personal issue Shasha but I think you are very very far away from reality in this post.

Firstly there ar many young people of all backgrounds and natonalities who have fiddled expenses, bank accounts, stocks and shares, etc etc, and made significant financial gain from doing so. This may not be widely publicised because they are not usually public figures but believe me it happens, and much more than you may think. Plenty of poorer folks are committing bank and mortgage fraud, which I would say is not what one would expect to be their 'comfort zone'.

You only have to see some Ebay accounts run by people as young as 16 to see how well they are doing from either theft from employers, or bulk shoplifting, or commercial burglaries - some of them are earnings absolutely thousands of pounds per week , and these folks come from a range of backgrounds. There are also plenty of scams via ebay where false sales are advertised and the buyer pays up only to never receive the goods. These scams are also run by people from all backgrounds and nationalities.
ATM machines get rigged on a regular basis for the purpose of 'skimming'. meaning huge levels of ongoing fraud from that act - a trick favoured by Eastern Europeans and Nigerians, but by no means exclusive to these nationals.

And there are plenty of the middle aged who go around committing arson offences, but again these incidents usually only make it into local news. arsons are committed by people of all ages, all nationalities and all social classes, for a variety of 'reasons'.

Shoplifting is by no means the prerogative of the young or the less prosperous - again this is a crime committed by people fo all backgrounds and both genders, and by all ages. In my area there is in fact a 60 year old woman from a posh estate who sells stolen gear at local boot sales - inlcuding designer gear such as trainers !

I have seen these things first hand, and if you do not take my word for it, the Home Office data will prove that when it comes to criminal acts, there can be no stereotyping of the criminal.

....and then of course there is the lucrative market of drug dealing..... all sorts of drugs all sorts of people !

Dread - x

Dread I am not sure people excuse these young people, it is more as I said in my post (269), a case of why are so many young people violent and intent on destruction? How to prevent this behaviour.
The firm Decaux must be making a fortune out of repairing 'phone boxes in our town.

I hink you will find a number of posts where people are baming poverty, the police, poor housing conditions etc etc for the way people have become disenfranchised, and I am saying that this is typical of the way these things are viewed in this country, after too long with a left wing government.

WHY? See my earlier post where I comment on the erosion of UK values leading to lawlessness and a lack of respect for anyone and anything.

Another possible factor? Who are todays supposed societal role models?
- Jordan? Wayne Rooney? The Gallagher brothers? Idiots from Big Brother?

All predominantly untalented people who behave like morons and get raised up as celebrities ....

....A sad indictment if you ask me!

Dread - x

Yes; I agree with all your reasons but the truth is that the majority of young people are not violent thugs, and they all have the same influences. They all watch TV. Also I have met many youngsters from 'awful' homes with poor parenting yet they still manage to become useful citizens.