UK RIOTS
Aug 19th 2011 | 11:43 pm
#316
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From: London
Re: UK RIOTS
Please don't take this as a personal issue Shasha but I think you are very very far away from reality in this post.
Firstly there ar many young people of all backgrounds and natonalities who have fiddled expenses, bank accounts, stocks and shares, etc etc, and made significant financial gain from doing so. This may not be widely publicised because they are not usually public figures but believe me it happens, and much more than you may think. Plenty of poorer folks are committing bank and mortgage fraud, which I would say is not what one would expect to be their 'comfort zone'.
You only have to see some Ebay accounts run by people as young as 16 to see how well they are doing from either theft from employers, or bulk shoplifting, or commercial burglaries - some of them are earnings absolutely thousands of pounds per week , and these folks come from a range of backgrounds. There are also plenty of scams via ebay where false sales are advertised and the buyer pays up only to never receive the goods. These scams are also run by people from all backgrounds and nationalities.
ATM machines get rigged on a regular basis for the purpose of 'skimming'. meaning huge levels of ongoing fraud from that act - a trick favoured by Eastern Europeans and Nigerians, but by no means exclusive to these nationals.
And there are plenty of the middle aged who go around committing arson offences, but again these incidents usually only make it into local news. arsons are committed by people of all ages, all nationalities and all social classes, for a variety of 'reasons'.
Shoplifting is by no means the prerogative of the young or the less prosperous - again this is a crime committed by people fo all backgrounds and both genders, and by all ages. In my area there is in fact a 60 year old woman from a posh estate who sells stolen gear at local boot sales - inlcuding designer gear such as trainers !
I have seen these things first hand, and if you do not take my word for it, the Home Office data will prove that when it comes to criminal acts, there can be no stereotyping of the criminal.
....and then of course there is the lucrative market of drug dealing..... all sorts of drugs all sorts of people !
Dread - x
Firstly there ar many young people of all backgrounds and natonalities who have fiddled expenses, bank accounts, stocks and shares, etc etc, and made significant financial gain from doing so. This may not be widely publicised because they are not usually public figures but believe me it happens, and much more than you may think. Plenty of poorer folks are committing bank and mortgage fraud, which I would say is not what one would expect to be their 'comfort zone'.
You only have to see some Ebay accounts run by people as young as 16 to see how well they are doing from either theft from employers, or bulk shoplifting, or commercial burglaries - some of them are earnings absolutely thousands of pounds per week , and these folks come from a range of backgrounds. There are also plenty of scams via ebay where false sales are advertised and the buyer pays up only to never receive the goods. These scams are also run by people from all backgrounds and nationalities.
ATM machines get rigged on a regular basis for the purpose of 'skimming'. meaning huge levels of ongoing fraud from that act - a trick favoured by Eastern Europeans and Nigerians, but by no means exclusive to these nationals.
And there are plenty of the middle aged who go around committing arson offences, but again these incidents usually only make it into local news. arsons are committed by people of all ages, all nationalities and all social classes, for a variety of 'reasons'.
Shoplifting is by no means the prerogative of the young or the less prosperous - again this is a crime committed by people fo all backgrounds and both genders, and by all ages. In my area there is in fact a 60 year old woman from a posh estate who sells stolen gear at local boot sales - inlcuding designer gear such as trainers !
I have seen these things first hand, and if you do not take my word for it, the Home Office data will prove that when it comes to criminal acts, there can be no stereotyping of the criminal.
....and then of course there is the lucrative market of drug dealing..... all sorts of drugs all sorts of people !
Dread - x
Aug 19th 2011 | 11:57 pm
#317
A little honey
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 443
From: In the beehive
Re: UK RIOTS
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-14601228
West Midlands police release new video of the Birmingham Riots.
.:curse: there are always some people making excuses for these scumbags.
West Midlands police release new video of the Birmingham Riots.
.:curse: there are always some people making excuses for these scumbags.
Aug 20th 2011 | 12:18 am
#318
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 79,382
From: East Seaxe
Re: UK RIOTS
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-14601228
West Midlands police release new video of the Birmingham Riots.
.:curse: there are always some people making excuses for these scumbags.
West Midlands police release new video of the Birmingham Riots.
.:curse: there are always some people making excuses for these scumbags.
Causes are not the same as excuses.
Why do you think it happened? If you just go with the "scumbag" interpretation, why don't riots happen every day, everywhere? Surely there are scumbags everywhere.
Aug 20th 2011 | 12:30 am
#319
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 79,382
From: East Seaxe
Re: UK RIOTS
I can't see where anyone is excusing their behaviour.
Some people are trying to identify the causes so that inexcusable behaviour doesn't happen again.
To take a different example, there were causes of the rise of Naziism in Europe in the 30s. But absolutely no excuses. See the difference?
Some people here think they have identified a causes - the "Nanmy state". But other European countries do far more nannying than us, with a social safety net that is far more complete and better-funded than ours. They also have many fewer young people in prison - the UK's incarceration rate of the young is, I think, the highest in the EU. So much for the soft on crime theory. Why aren't there riots in France, Sweden, Germany, etc. etc?
Some people are trying to identify the causes so that inexcusable behaviour doesn't happen again.
To take a different example, there were causes of the rise of Naziism in Europe in the 30s. But absolutely no excuses. See the difference?
Some people here think they have identified a causes - the "Nanmy state". But other European countries do far more nannying than us, with a social safety net that is far more complete and better-funded than ours. They also have many fewer young people in prison - the UK's incarceration rate of the young is, I think, the highest in the EU. So much for the soft on crime theory. Why aren't there riots in France, Sweden, Germany, etc. etc?
Last edited by Lion in Winter; Aug 20th 2011 at 12:34 am.
Aug 20th 2011 | 12:53 am
#320
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 79,382
From: East Seaxe
Re: UK RIOTS
According to a report by the Prison Reform Trust, the number of children (minors) imprisoned tripled from 1991 to 2006. That's quite some nanny.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8235844.stm
Or this - number of young people incarcerated per 100,000.
Australia - 31
United States - 295
UK - 23
France - 6
Spain - 2
Finland - 0.2
http://www.djj.nsw.gov.au/pdf_htm/pu...ew%20FINAL.pdf
Why isn't Finland going up in flames on a regular basis if "soft on crime" is the problem? Alternatively, why does the US not live in eternal peace?
I'm just asking us all set anger aside for a few moments so as to more clearly look at the facts. It's the only way to make things better.
Last edited by Lion in Winter; Aug 20th 2011 at 1:13 am.
Aug 20th 2011 | 5:32 am
#323
poole ,dorset . love it
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,281
Re: UK RIOTS
I can't see where anyone is excusing their behaviour.
Some people are trying to identify the causes so that inexcusable behaviour doesn't happen again.
To take a different example, there were causes of the rise of Naziism in Europe in the 30s. But absolutely no excuses. See the difference?
Some people here think they have identified a causes - the "Nanmy state". But other European countries do far more nannying than us, with a social safety net that is far more complete and better-funded than ours. They also have many fewer young people in prison - the UK's incarceration rate of the young is, I think, the highest in the EU. So much for the soft on crime theory. Why aren't there riots in France, Sweden, Germany, etc. etc?
Some people are trying to identify the causes so that inexcusable behaviour doesn't happen again.
To take a different example, there were causes of the rise of Naziism in Europe in the 30s. But absolutely no excuses. See the difference?
Some people here think they have identified a causes - the "Nanmy state". But other European countries do far more nannying than us, with a social safety net that is far more complete and better-funded than ours. They also have many fewer young people in prison - the UK's incarceration rate of the young is, I think, the highest in the EU. So much for the soft on crime theory. Why aren't there riots in France, Sweden, Germany, etc. etc?
Aug 20th 2011 | 5:39 am
#324
poole ,dorset . love it
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,281
Re: UK RIOTS
According to a report by the Prison Reform Trust, the number of children (minors) imprisoned tripled from 1991 to 2006. That's quite some nanny.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8235844.stm
Or this - number of young people incarcerated per 100,000.
Australia - 31
United States - 295
UK - 23
France - 6
Spain - 2
Finland - 0.2
http://www.djj.nsw.gov.au/pdf_htm/pu...ew%20FINAL.pdf
Why isn't Finland going up in flames on a regular basis if "soft on crime" is the problem? Alternatively, why does the US not live in eternal peace?
I'm just asking us all set anger aside for a few moments so as to more clearly look at the facts. It's the only way to make things better.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8235844.stm
Or this - number of young people incarcerated per 100,000.
Australia - 31
United States - 295
UK - 23
France - 6
Spain - 2
Finland - 0.2
http://www.djj.nsw.gov.au/pdf_htm/pu...ew%20FINAL.pdf
Why isn't Finland going up in flames on a regular basis if "soft on crime" is the problem? Alternatively, why does the US not live in eternal peace?
I'm just asking us all set anger aside for a few moments so as to more clearly look at the facts. It's the only way to make things better.
Puts paid to the idea its these ''foreigners'' causing the problem ,these are locals persecuted by foreigners and their greed system .
Aug 20th 2011 | 9:32 am
#325
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From: Noni the Indian Goan Beach Mulberry
Re: UK RIOTS
England's riots shouldn't be blamed on 'moral decline', says Tony Blair
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...ots-tony-blair
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...ots-tony-blair
Aug 20th 2011 | 9:38 am
#326
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Posts: 8,227
From: Noni the Indian Goan Beach Mulberry
Re: UK RIOTS
Message to all the rioters ........... you wanna be big men and fight to the death , well get your sorry little arses on the next plane to Afghanistan and stand alongside real men , they're called soldiers and they are fighting a war unlike you bunch of pathetic wastes of space !! - thank you Simon 
Aug 20th 2011 | 9:59 am
#327
poole ,dorset . love it
Joined: Mar 2007
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Re: UK RIOTS
Message to all the rioters ........... you wanna be big men and fight to the death , well get your sorry little arses on the next plane to Afghanistan and stand alongside real men , they're called soldiers and they are fighting a war unlike you bunch of pathetic wastes of space !! - thank you Simon
Do you want American style justice ,cops with guns ,gated communities ,the death sentance ,None of which have prevented the rise of gang violence and ever increasing youths going to jail .Most of which come from impoverished areas .
The Britain of today is far removed from the britain a hundred years ago ,where ermmm people knew their place and tugged the forlock to the nearest lord .Today britain is fuelled by greed and money ,right from the top and down.
Maybe locking up a few politicians for raping taxpayer money may restore a bit of faith .
Aug 20th 2011 | 11:29 am
#328
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From: Lydd Kent
Re: UK RIOTS
Message to all the rioters ........... you wanna be big men and fight to the death , well get your sorry little arses on the next plane to Afghanistan and stand alongside real men , they're called soldiers and they are fighting a war unlike you bunch of pathetic wastes of space !! - thank you Simon
Aug 20th 2011 | 11:43 am
#329
Septicity
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 23,762
Re: UK RIOTS
Message to all the rioters ........... you wanna be big men and fight to the death , well get your sorry little arses on the next plane to Afghanistan and stand alongside real men , they're called soldiers and they are fighting a war unlike you bunch of pathetic wastes of space !! - thank you Simon
