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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by noni
(Post 10780631)
The attitude of men in the villages in Goa is certainly that women are the underdogs. The more affluent ones "seem" to have more of our attitude towards their women folk, although sometimes you can see through them, just the little things they say and the way in which they say it.
I have also seen it right here in the US, where women cannot get police to take their complaints of domestic violence and sexual abuse seriously. Again, it is cultural. |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
(Post 10780648)
Indeed, but I could make an equally horrible list of crimes against women from other countries and other cultures, some of them that you would consider completely modern.
My point is that sweeping generalizations weaken the case, they do not strengthen it. This sort of behaviour towards women is not the result of ethnic or racial origin. For every example you give of an "asian" maltreating a woman, an example of a brave, gallant, noble "asian" could be found and more to the point, millions and millions of examples of perfectly normal everyday behaviour by "asians". Cherry picking the horror stories and then generalizing from them makes it more difficult to actually get that behaviour to stop, because it weakens your case and makes people stop listening because of the completely unnecessary racial element injected into it. If you actually knew me you would know I was not racial, I love my Goan friends and home = I dont like the way in which we have been treated buying our properties in Goa - to understand this you will have to read Buyer Beware before you can comment, and now having our bank accounts seized. It will be a hassle to get our money back. Unless you have spent time in India you cannot envisage HASSLE. Thank you for livening up the forum tonight. Good night. |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
(Post 10780653)
I have dealt with this in Latin America - usually by ignoring it and they stop when they see that I'm not going to pay attention to the nonsense. It is cultural, not racial.
I have also seen it right here in the US, where women cannot get police to take their complaints of domestic violence and sexual abuse seriously. Again, it is cultural. a cultural thing |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by noni
(Post 10780631)
The attitude of men in the villages in Goa is certainly that women are the underdogs. The more affluent ones "seem" to have more of our attitude towards their women folk, although sometimes you can see through them, just the little things they say and the way in which they say it.
"Our attitude" is there a difference? look at some statistics. http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/articles/...es_the_future/ I am sure you would complain if someone used these figures as a description of "most" British men?? People are people good and bad regardless of the country they live in. |
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What ever you want to state about certain aspects of the Indian sub-continents Muslim inhabitants, Pakistan & Bangladesh, immigrant community here in the UK for not assimilating into main stream British culture. And by that i mean living in a closed world behind thick curtains and a locked door.The chief culprit for the mess we are experiencing with Jihadists and extremists especially amongst young men and sometimes women, is Multiculturalism.Thank God its finally been discredited for what it is.A load of rubbish.The Labour Party used it for years to capture the Muslim vote in the the North and Midlands and parts of London.We have the embarrassing situation of Afro-Caribbean kids talking in Jafaican(fake Jamaican accent)Muslims who still think they are living in Villages in the Hindu Kush or the Gilgit Valley.In the USA they laugh at multiculturalism because the Americans insist on assimilation. You learn the language and the norms and get on in life.The Tories have introduced a clause into their latest blast against the Welfare State.Learn the language or lose benefits.Personally i have always been an old Labour man, not New Labour,and this makes complete sense to me.
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Surely the headline in Bipat's link proves the poor attitude to women in India?
"Women IAF pilots prove their worth in Uttarakhand rescue" Oh, and if you got out of your cosy little world of family, servants(!) and "helpers", and whats more, stayed for a truly extended period whereby all those around you cold not maintain "best behaviour"................ I guarantee you would see the behaviour described by others on here who have done so. Until you blend into the background and are taken for granted, you will never see this. . |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
(Post 10780619)
So I'm not quite clear - who exactly is behaving in a backward or primitive way here?
YOU !!!! :rofl: Dread - x |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by johnny five
(Post 10781033)
Surely the headline in Bipat's link proves the poor attitude to women in India?
"Women IAF pilots prove their worth in Uttarakhand rescue" Oh, and if you got out of your cosy little world of family, servants(!) and "helpers", and whats more, stayed for a truly extended period whereby all those around you cold not maintain "best behaviour"................ I guarantee you would see the behaviour described by others on here who have done so. Until you blend into the background and are taken for granted, you will never see this. . You have no idea how long we have stayed so please don't judge. Do you think we don't know about 'bad behaviour'? the local 'Mafia' chap who is preventing us selling a small patch of land? The neighbour opposite turned out by her husband (she had turned their house into a dog sanctuary!, we were all grateful when she went and the barking stopped!!!!). Just amusing examples so please no comment. The 'helpers' I mentioned were fathers of 'girls' the family rescued, one of these came to the house aged 15yrs taught all by my mother in law and still comes to check on our things 40 years on out of goodwill, (She is now married to a drunk, but loves him). We rely absolutely on our neighbours when we are in UK. There are as many criminals around us as elsewhere, but the description of the behaviour of "most" Indian men by Noni is just wrong. Goa is in many ways a unique state it was separated from rest of India as you know. I am well aware of the behaviour described. Maybe you could mix with others from different areas for an extended period and learn more about India outside of Goa? I pointed out the UK the behaviour of wife beating men, paedophiles, child murderers is actually known by many but do they describe it as a male national characteristic? No, most have more sense. Link --proving their worth as pilots, not as women. |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 10780509)
First part of your post:
many dictionaries give the definition of "accurate" as "correct". "All" can be incorrect, while "some" or "many" can be correct when discussing a subject without specific statistics.. I was replying to Noni 's post which disagreed with my post indicating such attitudes are not the norm in India. I interpreted her reply differently to yourself maybe Noni will clarify. Second part of your post: yours and Prestonjohn's examples; there are Asian families of this kind, particularly I have found in the lower social groups (but not exclusively), and Bangladeshi immigrants are often very poor. Most immigrants I have encountered though are very proud of their children's achievements. Oh dear!! is it OK to say "most"? As accurate as your "many" though:p Off topic, (One thing that irritates me about Indian society is the almost universal use of the word "kid" for "child", a kid is a young goat, relatives seem to disagree!!!). First part of your post: ....AND BLACK IS REALLY WHITE.... Second part of your post The family I refer to in my example were NOT Bangladeshi......They were in fact INDIAN ! Dread - x |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by dreadsoc;10781111
[U Second part of your post[/U]
The family I refer to in my example were NOT Bangladeshi......They were in fact INDIAN ! Dread - x |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by Bipat
(Post 10781125)
I was referring to Prestonjohn's example. Previous words "there are Asian families of this kind". Do you really think that I don't know about Indian atrocities???
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by johnny five
(Post 10781033)
Surely the headline in Bipat's link proves the poor attitude to women in India?
"Women IAF pilots prove their worth in Uttarakhand rescue" Oh, and if you got out of your cosy little world of family, servants(!) and "helpers", and whats more, stayed for a truly extended period whereby all those around you cold not maintain "best behaviour"................ I guarantee you would see the behaviour described by others on here who have done so. Until you blend into the background and are taken for granted, you will never see this. . |
Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by noni
(Post 10781141)
:goodpost: Your post is so true J5 - Bipat do you go to your servants villages, mix with them eat at their table, see them in their true surroundings, watch the way they speak/ treat their women folk (of course, they will be on their best behaviour)
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Re: In To-day's Newspapers
Originally Posted by dreadsoc
(Post 10781138)
It appears you only admit to knowing about them when challenged on this forum.... !!
Dread - x Are you saying you agree that most men in India treat their "women folk" badly?? |
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