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hemingway Jun 24th 2013 6:08 am

From the Business Standard.
 
Is Parrikar's response to foreigners obtaining information under the RTI act a bit of a surprise move?

http://www.business-standard.com/art...2400951_1.html

H.

noni Jun 24th 2013 6:50 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...w/20746572.cms

Goa Government to stop retail sale of liquor in sealed bottles at airport.

a_f_d Jun 25th 2013 8:46 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by noni (Post 10770872)
Visitors from India and other 'high risk' countries in Asia and Africa will be forced to pay £3,000 cash bond before they enter UK

Plans by Home Secretary mean visitors lose their cash if they overstay visa
India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Ghana, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh to be targeted
Pilot scheme will later be extended to cover work permits and student visas


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2X4JtUhbF

Will India retaliate !!


Is Parrikar's response to foreigners obtaining information under the RTI act a bit of a surprise move?

http://www.business-standard.com/art...2400951_1.html

H.
Theresa May and Manohar Parrikar both acting "without application of mind" - anyone forced to pay £3,000 to enter the UK will feel/ believe they are therefore entitled to stay; foreigners in India/ Goa can always get their lawyer or other Indian contact to make RTI applications for them (and in the cases mentioned probably did).

AndyD 8-)

Bipat Jun 25th 2013 9:28 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 10773961)
Theresa May and Manohar Parrikar both acting "without application of mind" - anyone forced to pay £3,000 to enter the UK will feel/ believe they are therefore entitled to stay;
AndyD 8-)₹

I don't know why this bond scheme is needed for Indian visitors, why not just fine the 'sponsor' if a visitor overstays. The details presumably are recorded along with visa information. A sponsor already has to guarantee medical expenses etc.

dreadsoc Jun 25th 2013 10:17 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10773998)
I don't know why this bond scheme is needed for Indian visitors, why not just fine the 'sponsor' if a visitor overstays. The details presumably are recorded along with visa information. A sponsor already has to guarantee medical expenses etc.

The rules clearly state that the sponsor cannot guarantee that the visitor they sponsor will not overstay.....and I think you will find that in UK law no person can be held legally responsible for the actions of another adult who is of sound mind unless the legal definition of fear, force, fraud or causing applies.... it;s a little thing called 'mens rea' :ohmy:
Of course another can be held liable for aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring, inciting etc ..........

Dread - x

k800mer Jun 25th 2013 11:01 pm

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I have just written to my MP giving reasons why I believe this £3000 bond will make little difference to visitors from India and other countries overstaying and pointing out that the Indian government is likely to follow suit. Perhaps everyone else should do the same.

Bipat Jun 25th 2013 11:20 pm

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Originally Posted by dreadsoc (Post 10774046)
The rules clearly state that the sponsor cannot guarantee that the visitor they sponsor will not overstay.....and I think you will find that in UK law no person can be held legally responsible for the actions of another adult who is of sound mind unless the legal definition of fear, force, fraud or causing applies.... it;s a little thing called 'mens rea' :ohmy:
Of course another can be held liable for aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring, inciting etc ..........

Dread - x

Yes you are right, hadn't read the rules before, just provided all the evidence required;-- that we have the money to pay their medical bills etc. This in the past has included register evidence that we own our house!! also tax returns. Recently there has been less documentation required.
I presume therefore we could be approached to pay for above at any time visitor runs up a bill.

Bipat Jun 25th 2013 11:28 pm

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Originally Posted by k800mer (Post 10774097)
I have just written to my MP giving reasons why I believe this £3000 bond will make little difference to visitors from India and other countries overstaying and pointing out that the Indian government is likely to follow suit. Perhaps everyone else should do the same.

It will certainly make a difference to genuine visitors coming to UK from India and will affect the tourist industry. (I think Boris Johnson has already made this point.)
The relatives that have visited us over the years are reasonably 'well off' , but there is no way that they could or would find £3000 each for a bond to make a visit to us.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04613422-d...#axzz2XK5e4rxf

noni Jun 26th 2013 4:28 am

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 
Girl, 10, dies in hospital days after being gang raped by four teenagers in India

Victim 'raped repeatedly' by four boys aged between 13 and 16, say police
Girl died in intensive care yesterday after alleged attack on June 16
She knew all four of the accused, two of whom were brothers, police say
Accused said to have lured girl to secluded area with promise of Rs10
Incident in Hanuman Nagar follows string of brutal sex attacks in India


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2XLAI0zZm

Disgusting

Jerseygirl Jun 26th 2013 4:39 am

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by noni (Post 10774484)
Girl, 10, dies in hospital days after being gang raped by four teenagers in India

Victim 'raped repeatedly' by four boys aged between 13 and 16, say police
Girl died in intensive care yesterday after alleged attack on June 16
She knew all four of the accused, two of whom were brothers, police say
Accused said to have lured girl to secluded area with promise of Rs10
Incident in Hanuman Nagar follows string of brutal sex attacks in India


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2XLAI0zZm

Disgusting

I know what I'd do to the scumbags...all it would take is two bricks or a rusty bread knife. :mad:

old.sparkles Jun 26th 2013 12:08 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10774496)
I know what I'd do to the scumbags...all it would take is two bricks or a rusty bread knife. :mad:

I agree with that sentiment.

There does seem to be a lot of stories like this coming out of India at the moment - doesn't sound good at all :( :frown:

poipleshadow Jun 26th 2013 6:55 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 
It is a disgrace.. Children need to be taught respect of women and girls at an early age and try and do away with the whole male preference in the society, I know it is unlikely to happen in my lifetime, but you have to start somewhere...

chrisjolly Jun 26th 2013 7:08 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 10774927)
I agree with that sentiment.

There does seem to be a lot of stories like this coming out of India at the moment - doesn't sound good at all :( :frown:

Although each case of rape is a terrible crime and should be punished for appropriately there are many countries with a worse recorded rape crime than India per capita of the population.

The media have decided to report cases like this but you never hear of the crimes in Sweden or Brazil for example!

old.sparkles Jun 26th 2013 7:21 pm

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 

Originally Posted by chrisjolly (Post 10775234)
Although each case of rape is a terrible crime and should be punished for appropriately there are many countries with a worse recorded rape crime than India per capita of the population.

The media have decided to report cases like this but you never hear of the crimes in Sweden or Brazil for example!

No that is true - there is a story in the sand pit today of some rapists who were pretending to be police and used a stun gun on their victims, and they have been sentenced to just 1 year imprisonment - outrageous :frown:

noni Jun 27th 2013 12:13 am

Re: In To-day's Newspapers
 
http://shovonc.wordpress.com/2013/06...ing-till-1947/

India to charge britain for overstaying ! :sneaky:


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