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old.sparkles Jul 11th 2013 4:44 pm

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Originally Posted by poipleshadow (Post 10796115)
Crazy isn't it!! How do you go about educating them in equal rights and how to treat others with respect?

A mammoth task for sure - think they should all have to live as women for a year or something.

Bipat Jul 11th 2013 7:39 pm

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Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 10796102)
I don't think I could live in India, and definitely not in Hayana, with attitudes like that - and the attitudes of some of the younger respondants - unbelievable!

India with its billion population will have thousands of men with these views all over India, not just Haryana. On a quick read through the views seemed mixed. However it does not mean in any way that these bad views are general, although obviously any is too many.
(any more than all single parents are so for benefits!!!)
After the recent horrendous Delhi rape the protesters in the streets for law change were men as well as women.

noni Jul 11th 2013 8:17 pm

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Originally Posted by poipleshadow (Post 10796115)
Crazy isn't it!! How do you go about educating them in equal rights and how to treat others with respect?

You can't educate them, it is inbreed in them that women are just there to serve them, their chattel and plaything :sneaky:

Bipat Jul 11th 2013 8:36 pm

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 10796253)
You can't educate them, it is inbreed in them that women are just there to serve them, their chattel and plaything :sneaky:

An attitude of some men world over Noni, including UK.
Page 3 ???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21372875

prestonjohn Jul 12th 2013 1:08 am

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Originally Posted by poipleshadow (Post 10796115)
Crazy isn't it!! How do you go about educating them in equal rights and how to treat others with respect?

In yesterdays Guardian there was an article on Caste discrimination in the UK by higher castes against Dalits.A pressure group wanted it included in an amendment to Work Place Discrimination legislation being put together and guess what ? It was scuppered by the coalition, especially the Tories, who are seen as Hindu friendly, especially for upper castes who own homes and businesses.......so next time you point the finger at village Muslims for FGM or forced marriages and not being able to adapt to UK customs, Hindus can be just as discriminatory to their own people.....!And i suspect the article was about Gujaratis, not people from Haryana.

noni Jul 12th 2013 3:32 am

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Originally Posted by prestonjohn (Post 10796635)
In yesterdays Guardian there was an article on Caste discrimination in the UK by higher castes against Dalits.A pressure group wanted it included in an amendment to Work Place Discrimination legislation being put together and guess what ? It was scuppered by the coalition, especially the Tories, who are seen as Hindu friendly, especially for upper castes who own homes and businesses.......so next time you point the finger at village Muslims for FGM or forced marriages and not being able to adapt to UK customs, Hindus can be just as discriminatory to their own people.....!And i suspect the article was about Gujaratis, not people from Haryana.


Totally agree with you PJ - the Hindus can be just as discriminatory to their own people.


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Teachers 'denied schoolboy, 10, water on the hottest day of the year to avoid upsetting Muslim pupils during Ramadan'
Kora Blagden claims her son was told he could not drink water
She says teacher told him it could be unfair to fasting classmates
Said teacher made decision on Thursday when temperatures hit 28 degrees


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2YqUVVz2h

Nuts the lot of them. Child must have water.

Bipat Jul 12th 2013 5:17 am

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Originally Posted by prestonjohn (Post 10796635)
In yesterdays Guardian there was an article on Caste discrimination in the UK by higher castes against Dalits.A pressure group wanted it included in an amendment to Work Place Discrimination legislation being put together and guess what ? It was scuppered by the coalition, especially the Tories, who are seen as Hindu friendly, especially for upper castes who own homes and businesses.......so next time you point the finger at village Muslims for FGM or forced marriages and not being able to adapt to UK customs, Hindus can be just as discriminatory to their own people.....!And i suspect the article was about Gujaratis, not people from Haryana.

Yes it exists, not sure a law amendment will help, the people with such attitudes often hide it, just as racial discrimination is often far from obvious.

Just for interest why do you single out Gujaratis? Gujarat one state OH and self have never visited (although several postponed plans), also no Gujarati friends, though frequently shop in Belgrave area of Leicester. (One of the children lives in Leicester).

noni Jul 12th 2013 5:23 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10797125)
Yes it exists, not sure a law amendment will help, the people with such attitudes often hide it, just as racial discrimination is often far from obvious.

Just for interest why do you single out Gujaratis? Gujarat one state OH and self have never visited (although several postponed plans), also no Gujarati friends, though frequently shop in Belgrave area of Leicester. (One of the children lives in Leicester).

Why can't these women take a leaf out of Milala's book What an inspiration this young girl is and only 16 today. :thumbsup:

Bipat Jul 12th 2013 5:30 am

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 10797140)
Why can't these women take a leaf out of Milala's book What an inspiration this young girl is and only 16 today. :thumbsup:

Which 'women' do you mean Noni ? Not sure how your reply relates to my post.

noni Jul 12th 2013 5:45 am

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Sorry not directly to your post - Milala Yousafzai,( o.k. before you go off on one is a Pakistani), but her courage for standing up for disadvantaged women is amazing her speech to-day for them to be educated, and only 16. I bet she has strong views on how Indian/Pakistani women should be treated by the men folk.

Bipat Jul 12th 2013 5:56 am

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 10797189)
Sorry not directly to your post - Milala Yousafzai,( o.k. before you go off on one is a Pakistani), but her courage for standing up for disadvantaged women is amazing her speech to-day for them to be educated, and only 16. I bet she has strong views on how Indian/Pakistani women should be treated by the men folk.

Agree with you Noni she was brave beyond description.

Please though, do not equate the education and treatment of women in Pakistan and India. The two countries are totally different in their education and treatment of girls. Only about 12% girls educated in Pakistan.

http://www.mapsofindia.com/census201...racy-rate.html

(My post was actually asking why Gujaratis were mentioned particularly for being guilty of discrimination in UK, ????? Just interested)

noni Jul 12th 2013 8:14 am

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noni Jul 12th 2013 8:15 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10797207)
Agree with you Noni she was brave beyond description.

Please though, do not equate the education and treatment of women in Pakistan and India. The two countries are totally different in their education and treatment of girls. Only about 12% girls educated in Pakistan.

http://www.mapsofindia.com/census201...racy-rate.html

(My post was actually asking why Gujaratis were mentioned particularly for being guilty of discrimination in UK, ????? Just interested)

Sorry they are all the same to me. All these women need to be brought into this century - end of subject on Indian/:Pakistan. You have your view I have mine

Bipat Jul 12th 2013 8:40 am

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Originally Posted by noni (Post 10797404)
Sorry they are all the same to me. All these women need to be brought into this century - end of subject on Indian/:Pakistan. You have your view I have mine

Noni it is not a "view" they are 'facts'. You surely cannot equate 12% female literacy in Pakistan with the education of women in India.
Do Indian girls get shot for going to school??.
How do you explain Indian women engineers, surgeons, lawyers, teachers, vets, pilots, police officers, politicians etc. etc.

I find it amazing, that the moderator of an expat forum of one country thinks that the country is the 'same' as an ultra strict Muslim neighboring country, I despair:(

noni Jul 12th 2013 10:10 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 10797425)
Noni it is not a "view" they are 'facts'. You surely cannot equate 12% female literacy in Pakistan with the education of women in India.
Do Indian girls get shot for going to school??.
How do you explain Indian women engineers, surgeons, lawyers, teachers, vets, pilots, police officers, politicians etc. etc.

I find it amazing, that the moderator of an expat forum of one country thinks that the country is the 'same' as an ultra strict Muslim neighboring country, I despair:(

I find a lot of things you come out with amazing! Sometimes tunnel vision
we will have to agree to differ. I have met many Pakistani doctors etc.
You seem to have the "Indian" way of thinking of Pakistanis. The attitudes are the same in both Asian countries that is my point. :amen:


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