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k800mer Nov 23rd 2011 10:41 am

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Originally Posted by fatbrit (Post 9750685)
For most coming to the US, they'll only become an expat in the US if they marry an American. I presume you have some right to live in Goa if married to a native. The US forum, BTW, is full of British expats who live in the US.

I've been to India twice FYI. Never been an expat there, though.

Somebody on this forum posts general interest stories. Occasionally they interest me and I post a reply. More often than not I'm then subjected to abuse from the mod and concierge. I don't actually care that much, but it might be nice if your reply was actually based on a disagreement with what I wrote rather than just hurling personal insults at those who don't holiday in Goa, or don't believe the Daily Mail is evil incarnate.

FYI, I post all over the US forums often, TIO and the Lab frequently, the Lounge and MBTTUK occasionally. Despite the fact its akin to gouging out your eyes with a rusty piece of barbed wire, I even sometimes post in Goa where the subject is of general interest.

Perhaps you should try to be less pompous and know it all especially when you are pontificating on things you obviously know nothing about.. We all know what the situation is for people who used to be or want to be expats in Goa you obviously do not.

a_f_d Nov 23rd 2011 1:36 pm

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since we're OT already - may I point out that the 2-month rule does not apply to X visas - which are (at the moment) available again for property owners.

AndyD 8-)#

a_f_d Nov 23rd 2011 1:50 pm

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back on topic:
Anna Hazare loses the plot - or shows true colours?

AndyD 8-)#

noni Nov 23rd 2011 2:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 9750894)
I must say I quite enjoy your posts. (Not a great Daily Mail fan).
Also, I am often not very popular on this forum either!!!

Now that is not true ;) Bipat please enlighten Fat regarding marrying an indian and visa's.

noni Nov 23rd 2011 2:29 pm

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:goodpost:

Originally Posted by k800mer (Post 9750959)
Perhaps you should try to be less pompous and know it all especially when you are pontificating on things you obviously know nothing about.. We all know what the situation is for people who used to be or want to be expats in Goa you obviously do not.

:goodpost:

Bipat Nov 23rd 2011 5:53 pm

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Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 9751177)
back on topic:
Anna Hazare loses the plot - or shows true colours?

AndyD 8-)#

I think that is an old story Andy, he apparently got rid of alcohol in an entire village this way. I don't think he is a likeable person but if the movement suceeds it will be hopefully helpful.

bakedbean Nov 23rd 2011 6:16 pm

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Originally Posted by dreadsoc (Post 9750614)
There is no such thing as a proper expat in India - considering they have chenged the visa rules and foreigners cannot live there for 12 months of the year - they have to go into a 2 month exile from India after 180 days.

Dread - x

Well said, Dread.

I don't really understand anyway why some people are bellyaching if someone is expat or not, or the interpretation of "expat". What the hell does it matter? And is everyone British too? Anyone want to have a bellyache about that on here? Boy... you better take a look in the Malaysia forum... as we're like the United Nations in there :lol:

prestonjohn Nov 23rd 2011 9:17 pm

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Anna Hazar is just an RSS/BJP stooge foot soldier.Same with that other so called moral leader Baba Ram Dam who sodded off back to his palatial ashram in Rishikesh when things got too hot for him in Delhi.I'm amazed any one could call Hazar a Ghandian too. Because the RSS shot him. People have short memories in India of Indians but not when it comes down to so called colonial crimes of the British and the Portuguese .

Heidigirl Nov 23rd 2011 9:25 pm

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http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16116530

Bipat Nov 23rd 2011 10:07 pm

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Originally Posted by prestonjohn (Post 9751681)
Anna Hazar is just an RSS/BJP stooge foot soldier.Same with that other so called moral leader Baba Ram Dam who sodded off back to his palatial ashram in Rishikesh when things got too hot for him in Delhi.I'm amazed any one could call Hazar a Ghandian too. Because the RSS shot him. People have short memories in India of Indians but not when it comes down to so called colonial crimes of the British and the Portuguese .

I don't think anyone has forgotten that Godse killed Gandhi, there has always been denial that he belonged to the RSS. People well remember other crimes also.
They are also bound to remmber the crimes of an occupying foreign power.
Whatever you may think of Anna Hazare at least he has roused up others to have a voice re corruption.

a_f_d Nov 23rd 2011 10:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 9751424)
I think that is an old story Andy, he apparently got rid of alcohol in an entire village this way. I don't think he is a likeable person but if the movement suceeds it will be hopefully helpful.

Bloody Hell luv - you really have drunk the RSS/BJP Coolaid!
This bloke has just run a massive anti-corruption campaign on a "righteous Gandhian" ticket, a campaign for a workable mechanism to allow the rule of law to effectively crack down on the corrupt. Now (and it isn't an old story) he advocates the use of illegal violence against the person by self appointed tinpot dictators (a group with which he identifies himself) to prevent something he dislikes.
OK, the 'something' is unpleasant** and, like corruption, needs to be tackled; but it needs to be tackled within the rule of law, otherwise you are in Lynch-mob territory. By proposing illegal means to tackle one ill in society Anna Hazare has lost all moral authority to demand legislative changes to tackle another ill.

Corruption in India is a social evil that urgently needs to be tackled.

Domestic violence, often fueled by drink, is another.

The assumption by people in authority at all levels, appointed or self-appointed, that they can and should freely issue directives to others with or without clear legal sanction; is yet another.

** Please read the link I originally posted, including the Comments - there is a lengthy one that clearly describes the 'something' and I recognise the seriousness of the problems described. So did the Victorian temperance movement (which incidentally , together with the Vegetarians, was quick to embrace the young Sri Mohandas when he was in London), but they would never have suggested vigilante floggings! Then re-read your earlier posts where, amongst other things, you have tried to downplay the seriousness or ubiquity of domestic violence in India. Which is it? - something that is not that widespread, or something so widespread and serious that it justifies illegal lynch-mob behaviour?

AndyD

P.S. Having no 'history' to influence me, I also, approved of some recent posts by FatBrit.

P.P.S How do I stop the spellchecker flagging up my perfectly good UK English spellings? <g>

Bipat Nov 23rd 2011 11:17 pm

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Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 9751781)
Bloody Hell luv - you really have drunk the RSS/BJP Coolaid!
This bloke has just run a massive anti-corruption campaign on a "righteous Gandhian" ticket, a campaign for an effective mechanism to allow the rule of law to effectively crack down on the corrupt. Now (and it isn't an old story) he advocates the use of illegal violence against the person by self appointed tinpot dictators (a group with which he identifies himself) to prevent something he dislikes.
OK, the 'something' is unpleasant** and, like corruption, needs to be tackled; but it needs to be tackled within the rule of law, otherwise you are in Lynch-mob territory. By proposing illegal means to tackle one ill in society Anna Hazare has lost all moral authority to demand legislative changes to tackle another ill. Corruption in India is a social evil that urgently needs to be tackled.

Domestic violence, often fueled by drink, is another.

The assumption by people in authority at all levels, appointed or self-appointed, that they can and should freely issue directives to others with or without clear legal sanction; is yet another.

** Please read the link I originally posted, including the Comments - there is a lengthy one that clearly describes the 'something' and I recognise the seriousness of the problems described. So did the Victorian temperance movement (which incidentally , together with the Vegetarians, was quick to embrace the young Sri Mohandas when he was in London), but they would never have suggested vigilante floggings! Then re-read your earlier posts where, amongst other things, you have tried to downplay the seriousness or ubiquity of domestic violence in India. Which is it? - something that is not that widespread, or something so widespread and serious that it justifies illegal lynch-mob behaviour?

AndyD

P.S. Having no 'history' to influence me, I also, approved of some recent posts by FatBrit.

P.P.S How do I stop the spellchecker flagging up my perfectly good UK English spellings? <g>

I find it odd that for a mainly right-wing supporting, (anti-lefties), member forum, there is such dislike for the BJP (not that I personally support them), and this continuing join-up with the RSS. Are all Conservatives BNP supporters?
I have said that Hazare is not without faults, of course I don't agree with lynch-mobs, but surely you must agree he has brought the issue of corruption to the front. Other people in history who have started worthwhile movements have been seriously flawed. It is the movement which counts not the man himself.
As to domestic violence I have never downplayed its seriousness in India (or in the UK), my previous posts were to protest at the "Indians in general" and "the Indian males in general" do this or that posts.

prestonjohn Nov 23rd 2011 11:49 pm

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Which Godse are writing about Bipat ? The one they hanged or the his brother who got life ? Because the brother, who died about 6 years ago, was a real Khaki Knicker Wallah down to his polished brown shoes.He kept his brothers ashes near a shrine in his flat because he said he wanted to scatter them in the Indus River after India had destroyed Pakistan....He was RSS from his flat feet to his bald head.I suppose you know that the RSS was based on Hitlers Brown Shirts, they even copied the uniforms.Brown shirts and shorts and of course leather belts and polished shoes and a lathi instead of a truncheon.You can see them exercising on that park opposite Victoria terminus in Mumbai in the morning.Sheila Dikshit the mayor of New Delhi had the guts to ban them from the parks.As for colonial crimes, the police in India have since independence, murdered more people than the British ever did in 200 years.Gujarat, Punjab etc etc.....if we are so hated then why did they keep our legal system after Independence..? Ps i keep wondering why my spell checker keeps going American on me too...!

noni Nov 24th 2011 12:05 am

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Originally Posted by a_f_d (Post 9751781)
Bloody Hell luv - you really have drunk the RSS/BJP Coolaid!
This bloke has just run a massive anti-corruption campaign on a "righteous Gandhian" ticket, a campaign for a workable mechanism to allow the rule of law to effectively crack down on the corrupt. Now (and it isn't an old story) he advocates the use of illegal violence against the person by self appointed tinpot dictators (a group with which he identifies himself) to prevent something he dislikes.
OK, the 'something' is unpleasant** and, like corruption, needs to be tackled; but it needs to be tackled within the rule of law, otherwise you are in Lynch-mob territory. By proposing illegal means to tackle one ill in society Anna Hazare has lost all moral authority to demand legislative changes to tackle another ill.

Corruption in India is a social evil that urgently needs to be tackled.

Domestic violence, often fueled by drink, is another.

The assumption by people in authority at all levels, appointed or self-appointed, that they can and should freely issue directives to others with or without clear legal sanction; is yet another.

** Please read the link I originally posted, including the Comments - there is a lengthy one that clearly describes the 'something' and I recognise the seriousness of the problems described. So did the Victorian temperance movement (which incidentally , together with the Vegetarians, was quick to embrace the young Sri Mohandas when he was in London), but they would never have suggested vigilante floggings! Then re-read your earlier posts where, amongst other things, you have tried to downplay the seriousness or ubiquity of domestic violence in India. Which is it? - something that is not that widespread, or something so widespread and serious that it justifies illegal lynch-mob behaviour?

AndyD

P.S. Having no 'history' to influence me, I also, approved of some recent posts by FatBrit.

P.P.S How do I stop the spellchecker flagging up my perfectly good UK English spellings? <g>


:goodpost: Regarding corruption can you tell us why the beach girls pay their taxes one day - with the panchayt there (dispute) next day the police are chasing them, beating them with sticks. Another Indian peculiarity :nod:

Bipat Nov 24th 2011 12:30 am

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Originally Posted by prestonjohn (Post 9751868)
Which Godse are writing about Bipat ? The one they hanged or the his brother who got life ? Because the brother, who died about 6 years ago, was a real Khaki Knicker Wallah down to his polished brown shoes.He kept his brothers ashes near a shrine in his flat because he said he wanted to scatter them in the Indus River after India had destroyed Pakistan....He was RSS from his flat feet to his bald head.I suppose you know that the RSS was based on Hitlers Brown Shirts, they even copied the uniforms.Brown shirts and shorts and of course leather belts and polished shoes and a lathi instead of a truncheon.You can see them exercising on that park opposite Victoria terminus in Mumbai in the morning.Sheila Dikshit the mayor of New Delhi had the guts to ban them from the parks.As for colonial crimes, the police in India have since independence, murdered more people than the British ever did in 200 years.Gujarat, Punjab etc etc.....if we are so hated then why did they keep our legal system after Independence..? Ps i keep wondering why my spell checker keeps going American on me too...!

Generalizing again!! family members were in the RSS in the 1940s, with hindsight I think they liked the discipline and the marching! they were not fascists, (most now are departed so I cannot ask them!).
Also have cousins at present who are keen Marxists and bore everyone with their lectures, and a s-inlaw who was a Congress activist, it is a politically mixed family.
I have never met an Indian, alive at the time, who "hated" the British, many admired them, but did not wish to be ruled by them.
On the other hand, OH as a child wondered why the club his father played tennis at with British had a "No Indians" sign over the door. These memories stay PJ is it any wonder that the younger Indians would grow up with resentment.


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