Acron Homes
Aug 5th 2007 | 5:37 am
#571
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From: Noni the Indian Goan Beach Mulberry
Re: Acron Homes
Hi Flowermoon,
Thank you so much for your reply.
Having reread my lease wording I now feel a lot happier that we aren't likely to have infringed any of the current laws in place at the moment.
Gee, I'm getting a funny feeling that some one is reading your message over my shoulder.
Thank you for sharing your very positive experiences with us, I do hope you are wearing your Flak jacket and tin hat in readiness for the "bararge" which will I'm sure be coming in from the East.
Best Regards
Bryson
Thank you so much for your reply.
Having reread my lease wording I now feel a lot happier that we aren't likely to have infringed any of the current laws in place at the moment.
Gee, I'm getting a funny feeling that some one is reading your message over my shoulder.
Thank you for sharing your very positive experiences with us, I do hope you are wearing your Flak jacket and tin hat in readiness for the "bararge" which will I'm sure be coming in from the East.
Best Regards
Bryson
Just looked at www.goanvoice.org.uk. and we are mentioned again.
We are being watched. so have your say.
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Aug 5th 2007 | 6:01 am
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Re: Acron Homes
Hi Bryson 7,
Nothing to be happy about, your fellow acronites will tarnish you too.
Maybe flowermoons attitudes and practices are not typical of the average acronite, but they are certainly what we are becoming used to from acron contributors on this site.
I can see nothing positive in these attitudes , rather am saddened by them.
I am sad for the people of goa that foreigners think its ok to come to someone elses country and cover it in concrete and speculate and break their laws with impunity.
I am also sad for the FNs who do have some understanding of India and its culture and who genuinely want to live there. I suppose we cannot expect the authorities to differentiate, we are all just FNs to them .
The more i hear of these attitudes and practices the more i am convinced that the authorities will eventually move against all FNs in goa, responsible and otherwise.
FNs dont need flack jackets , just some intelligence, knowledge, awareness, and sensitivity to their host country.
regards
douglas
Nothing to be happy about, your fellow acronites will tarnish you too.
Maybe flowermoons attitudes and practices are not typical of the average acronite, but they are certainly what we are becoming used to from acron contributors on this site.
I can see nothing positive in these attitudes , rather am saddened by them.
I am sad for the people of goa that foreigners think its ok to come to someone elses country and cover it in concrete and speculate and break their laws with impunity.
I am also sad for the FNs who do have some understanding of India and its culture and who genuinely want to live there. I suppose we cannot expect the authorities to differentiate, we are all just FNs to them .
The more i hear of these attitudes and practices the more i am convinced that the authorities will eventually move against all FNs in goa, responsible and otherwise.
FNs dont need flack jackets , just some intelligence, knowledge, awareness, and sensitivity to their host country.
regards
douglas
I think its a fact of life people will always want to live in places like Goa and Malaysian so the pressure to build will always be there.
I should direct your comments to the local planning people, and the greedy land owners who sell to developers and of course to the local people building and mixing the concrete for the "local" building firms. It isn't FN's covering both Goa and Malaysia in concrete.
I totally agree with you regarding respecting your host country, It is the whole Indian package which attracts me to Goa faults and all, not just having a concrete apartment in a sunny climate. I would have looked much closer to home if that had been the case.
I haven't seen much sensitivity directed from this forum towards our Indian hosts just lately.
I am pleased that Flowermoon has had some positive comments to say about Acron, sorry but I do have a financial interest to think about as well.
I believe that most of her later comments were said tongue in cheek.
Regards
Bryson
Aug 5th 2007 | 8:04 am
#573
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From: Noni the Indian Goan Beach Mulberry
Re: Acron Homes
Hi, All.
Just looked at www.goanvoice.org.uk. and we are mentioned again.
We are being watched. so have your say.
Just looked at www.goanvoice.org.uk. and we are mentioned again.
We are being watched. so have your say.
Hi Flowermoon,
As you can see people are looking of our shoulders!!!!
Keep smiling.
Noni
Aug 5th 2007 | 8:57 am
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Re: Acron Homes
Hi Flowermoon
It is possible to set up a company without a partner but only in certain industries and fortunately tourism is one of them, you must trade though and get a good accountant to make sure you don't pay too much tax
Regards
Tony P
It is possible to set up a company without a partner but only in certain industries and fortunately tourism is one of them, you must trade though and get a good accountant to make sure you don't pay too much tax
Regards
Tony P
Aug 5th 2007 | 10:31 am
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Re: Acron Homes
Hi flowermoon,
We presume that you are a FN.
If you are a FN on a tourist visa you dont know your subject.Your nro bank account should be closed at the end of your six month period, where are you going to keep the money in india ?
You need a business or employment visa to run a business and rent immovable property in india.
You cannot trade as a sole trader in india if you are a FN.
Notwithstanding the above, you are presuming that someone will want to rent your apartment and that you can make a profit after paying your taxes and expenses and after allowing for cost of carry.
Does your lease allow you to sub let?
Regarding selling, you are presuming that property prices will keep rising and that there is a greater fool than you who will continue to pay freehold prices for 5 year leases.
Do not extrapolate the past and presume that will form the future.
The only certainty is that nothing stays the same.
The fact that you love your apartment is irrelevant, it doesnt change the rule book or the political climate or the indian mind.
regards
douglas
We presume that you are a FN.
If you are a FN on a tourist visa you dont know your subject.Your nro bank account should be closed at the end of your six month period, where are you going to keep the money in india ?
You need a business or employment visa to run a business and rent immovable property in india.
You cannot trade as a sole trader in india if you are a FN.
Notwithstanding the above, you are presuming that someone will want to rent your apartment and that you can make a profit after paying your taxes and expenses and after allowing for cost of carry.
Does your lease allow you to sub let?
Regarding selling, you are presuming that property prices will keep rising and that there is a greater fool than you who will continue to pay freehold prices for 5 year leases.
Do not extrapolate the past and presume that will form the future.
The only certainty is that nothing stays the same.
The fact that you love your apartment is irrelevant, it doesnt change the rule book or the political climate or the indian mind.
regards
douglas
Aug 5th 2007 | 10:35 am
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Re: Acron Homes
Hi Flowermoon,
Thank you so much for your reply.
Having reread my lease wording I now feel a lot happier that we aren't likely to have infringed any of the current laws in place at the moment.
Gee, I'm getting a funny feeling that some one is reading your message over my shoulder.
Thank you for sharing your very positive experiences with us, I do hope you are wearing your Flak jacket and tin hat in readiness for the "bararge" which will I'm sure be coming in from the East.
Best Regards
Bryson
Thank you so much for your reply.
Having reread my lease wording I now feel a lot happier that we aren't likely to have infringed any of the current laws in place at the moment.
Gee, I'm getting a funny feeling that some one is reading your message over my shoulder.
Thank you for sharing your very positive experiences with us, I do hope you are wearing your Flak jacket and tin hat in readiness for the "bararge" which will I'm sure be coming in from the East.
Best Regards
Bryson
Aug 5th 2007 | 12:54 pm
#577
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Re: Acron Homes
I said there would be "flak" coming in from the East, hee hee.
Douglas means well, just has an aversion to Acronites I think.
I'm sure he'll realise one day that most of us have the same dream as he once had and that we really are nice law biding people, who are just having a problem understanding all the rules at the moment.
I'm sure we are not alone on that score.
But we are all a lot wiser having Douglas as our guide, so don't take it personally if he growls at you, he's just being cruel to be kind.
Regards
Bryson
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Aug 5th 2007 | 2:46 pm
#578
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Re: Acron Homes
Hi Flowermoon,
I said there would be "flak" coming in from the East, hee hee.
Douglas means well, just has an aversion to Acronites I think.
I'm sure he'll realise one day that most of us have the same dream as he once had and that we really are nice law biding people, who are just having a problem understanding all the rules at the moment.
I'm sure we are not alone on that score.
But we are all a lot wiser having Douglas as our guide, so don't take it personally if he growls at you, he's just being cruel to be kind.
Regards
Bryson
I said there would be "flak" coming in from the East, hee hee.
Douglas means well, just has an aversion to Acronites I think.
I'm sure he'll realise one day that most of us have the same dream as he once had and that we really are nice law biding people, who are just having a problem understanding all the rules at the moment.
I'm sure we are not alone on that score.
But we are all a lot wiser having Douglas as our guide, so don't take it personally if he growls at you, he's just being cruel to be kind.
Regards
Bryson
I dont have an aversion to acronites, but i do have an aversion to the attitudes and practices they display on this site. More importantly, so do the indian authorities.
Nice law abiding people in their own country, shouldnt go to other peoples countries and break their laws out of self interest and then claim that they dont understand them.
If flowermoon didnt know the laws after being there for three years , she should have done. If she didnt know them then, she does now, because i have clearly outlined them to her.
You can see how contrite and enlightened she now is from her response to me , more like deeply entrenched and further in denial.
Flowermoon should take the things i say personally they were aimed specifically at her and hopefully she will now take a long hard look at herself and her attitudes and motives.
If and when you get thrown out of goa, it will be because of people like flowermoon.
regards
douglas
Aug 5th 2007 | 3:07 pm
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Re: Acron Homes
Douglas Shut up i wasnt talking to you and has you dont even know me please do not call me a fool, i was respecting your views and giving my views you have just lost respect if you are going to give advice then give it in a civil manner i know you have had trouble but your bitter and twistedness is showing.
Hi flowermoon,
I dont know you other than by the information you have provided to us on this site. On the information provided so far, I stand by the greater fool analogy.
Your statements and behavior in presuming that property prices can only rise and that someone else will continue to pay you freehold prices for short term leases in an unstable country to which they have no right of access, can only lead me to that opinion.
Not only do you seem to know very little about india and its laws , but you dont seem to understand risk either. I know a little about both of those areas, please take note of the things i am saying .
Neither am i bitter about my experiences in india, please read my previous posts which rather indicate acceptance and understanding.
regards
douglas
Aug 5th 2007 | 3:29 pm
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Re: Acron Homes
Hi Douglas,
I think its a fact of life people will always want to live in places like Goa and Malaysian so the pressure to build will always be there.
I should direct your comments to the local planning people, and the greedy land owners who sell to developers and of course to the local people building and mixing the concrete for the "local" building firms. It isn't FN's covering both Goa and Malaysia in concrete.
I totally agree with you regarding respecting your host country, It is the whole Indian package which attracts me to Goa faults and all, not just having a concrete apartment in a sunny climate. I would have looked much closer to home if that had been the case.
I haven't seen much sensitivity directed from this forum towards our Indian hosts just lately.
I am pleased that Flowermoon has had some positive comments to say about Acron, sorry but I do have a financial interest to think about as well.
I believe that most of her later comments were said tongue in cheek.
Regards
Bryson
I think its a fact of life people will always want to live in places like Goa and Malaysian so the pressure to build will always be there.
I should direct your comments to the local planning people, and the greedy land owners who sell to developers and of course to the local people building and mixing the concrete for the "local" building firms. It isn't FN's covering both Goa and Malaysia in concrete.
I totally agree with you regarding respecting your host country, It is the whole Indian package which attracts me to Goa faults and all, not just having a concrete apartment in a sunny climate. I would have looked much closer to home if that had been the case.
I haven't seen much sensitivity directed from this forum towards our Indian hosts just lately.
I am pleased that Flowermoon has had some positive comments to say about Acron, sorry but I do have a financial interest to think about as well.
I believe that most of her later comments were said tongue in cheek.
Regards
Bryson
I accept that there are numerous factors that have contributed to the debacle in goa.The indian government and the people of goa are not without blame here.
However, this is an ex pat site and the main material we are dealing with here is ex pats, their hopes fears and dreams.
We cannot realistically influence these other areas , but we can influence our own level of knowledge, attitudes, understanding etc, for the benefit of all concerned.That is essentially what i am trying to do.
regards
douglas
Aug 5th 2007 | 8:48 pm
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Re: Acron Homes
Douglas
Churchills have now agreed to refund my not insubstantial deposit on the property I was intending to "buy" at D'Costa Palms in Siolim....... once they have resold my apartment. This resale is taking a worrying amount of time and I am sure it is not in their best interest to rush as they are now sitting on my money. I am getting worried that the recovery of funds may get difficult as no legal sale has occurred. Would appreciate any ideas to nudge the sale along. I can't believe that a company such as Churchills intend to defraud me of my deposit on a technicality!!!
Churchills have now agreed to refund my not insubstantial deposit on the property I was intending to "buy" at D'Costa Palms in Siolim....... once they have resold my apartment. This resale is taking a worrying amount of time and I am sure it is not in their best interest to rush as they are now sitting on my money. I am getting worried that the recovery of funds may get difficult as no legal sale has occurred. Would appreciate any ideas to nudge the sale along. I can't believe that a company such as Churchills intend to defraud me of my deposit on a technicality!!!
Aug 5th 2007 | 9:08 pm
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Re: Acron Homes
Douglas
Churchills have now agreed to refund my not insubstantial deposit on the property I was intending to "buy" at D'Costa Palms in Siolim....... once they have resold my apartment. This resale is taking a worrying amount of time and I am sure it is not in their best interest to rush as they are now sitting on my money. I am getting worried that the recovery of funds may get difficult as no legal sale has occurred. Would appreciate any ideas to nudge the sale along. I can't believe that a company such as Churchills intend to defraud me of my deposit on a technicality!!!
Churchills have now agreed to refund my not insubstantial deposit on the property I was intending to "buy" at D'Costa Palms in Siolim....... once they have resold my apartment. This resale is taking a worrying amount of time and I am sure it is not in their best interest to rush as they are now sitting on my money. I am getting worried that the recovery of funds may get difficult as no legal sale has occurred. Would appreciate any ideas to nudge the sale along. I can't believe that a company such as Churchills intend to defraud me of my deposit on a technicality!!!
I dont know what documents you have signed, but i suspect it was an agreement to sale.
If it was an agreement to sale they are bullshitting you, as no transfer of ownership tales place on an agreement to sale. You have therefore never owned immovable property in india , so how can they be waiting to re -sell the property you didnt own in the first place?
I cannot understand why churchills are even making these offers to non resident FNs, who are specifically prohibited from transferring immovable property in india.
regards
douglas
Aug 5th 2007 | 9:20 pm
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Re: Acron Homes
Douglas
I have not actually signed anything. Having gained knowledge from this site regarding FN right (or lack of it) to buy in GOA, I returned the sales agreement un-signed. So I have no paperwork and Churchills have my cash and seem in no rush to give it back. I need a plan to prise ny deposit from their bank account. I am not sure where I stand legally as Churchills have no intention of returning my funds as they claim to have paid it straight to the developers.
As I see it; I am unwittingly giving foreign aid to Indian builders to build property that they are pretending to sell to us FNs???? Seems a bit mad to me. I have a horrible feeling that I am about to kiss goodbye to £12K and can do little about it. ANY SOLICITORS OUT THERE READING THIS????
I have not actually signed anything. Having gained knowledge from this site regarding FN right (or lack of it) to buy in GOA, I returned the sales agreement un-signed. So I have no paperwork and Churchills have my cash and seem in no rush to give it back. I need a plan to prise ny deposit from their bank account. I am not sure where I stand legally as Churchills have no intention of returning my funds as they claim to have paid it straight to the developers.
As I see it; I am unwittingly giving foreign aid to Indian builders to build property that they are pretending to sell to us FNs???? Seems a bit mad to me. I have a horrible feeling that I am about to kiss goodbye to £12K and can do little about it. ANY SOLICITORS OUT THERE READING THIS????
Aug 5th 2007 | 9:50 pm
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Re: Acron Homes
Hi Bryson 7,
I dont have an aversion to acronites, but i do have an aversion to the attitudes and practices they display on this site. More importantly, so do the indian authorities.
Nice law abiding people in their own country, shouldnt go to other peoples countries and break their laws out of self interest and then claim that they dont understand them.
If flowermoon didnt know the laws after being there for three years , she should have done. If she didnt know them then, she does now, because i have clearly outlined them to her.
You can see how contrite and enlightened she now is from her response to me , more like deeply entrenched and further in denial.
Flowermoon should take the things i say personally they were aimed specifically at her and hopefully she will now take a long hard look at herself and her attitudes and motives.
If and when you get thrown out of goa, it will be because of people like flowermoon.
regards
douglas
I dont have an aversion to acronites, but i do have an aversion to the attitudes and practices they display on this site. More importantly, so do the indian authorities.
Nice law abiding people in their own country, shouldnt go to other peoples countries and break their laws out of self interest and then claim that they dont understand them.
If flowermoon didnt know the laws after being there for three years , she should have done. If she didnt know them then, she does now, because i have clearly outlined them to her.
You can see how contrite and enlightened she now is from her response to me , more like deeply entrenched and further in denial.
Flowermoon should take the things i say personally they were aimed specifically at her and hopefully she will now take a long hard look at herself and her attitudes and motives.
If and when you get thrown out of goa, it will be because of people like flowermoon.
regards
douglas
The problem is the goal posts keep moving, so people do not always understand the current laws, you only have to read the HCI press releases to see how people get a little confused.
Regards
Bryson
Aug 5th 2007 | 9:52 pm
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Re: Acron Homes
Douglas
I have not actually signed anything. Having gained knowledge from this site regarding FN right (or lack of it) to buy in GOA, I returned the sales agreement un-signed. So I have no paperwork and Churchills have my cash and seem in no rush to give it back. I need a plan to prise ny deposit from their bank account. I am not sure where I stand legally as Churchills have no intention of returning my funds as they claim to have paid it straight to the developers.
As I see it; I am unwittingly giving foreign aid to Indian builders to build property that they are pretending to sell to us FNs???? Seems a bit mad to me. I have a horrible feeling that I am about to kiss goodbye to £12K and can do little about it. ANY SOLICITORS OUT THERE READING THIS????
I have not actually signed anything. Having gained knowledge from this site regarding FN right (or lack of it) to buy in GOA, I returned the sales agreement un-signed. So I have no paperwork and Churchills have my cash and seem in no rush to give it back. I need a plan to prise ny deposit from their bank account. I am not sure where I stand legally as Churchills have no intention of returning my funds as they claim to have paid it straight to the developers.
As I see it; I am unwittingly giving foreign aid to Indian builders to build property that they are pretending to sell to us FNs???? Seems a bit mad to me. I have a horrible feeling that I am about to kiss goodbye to £12K and can do little about it. ANY SOLICITORS OUT THERE READING THIS????
If you returned the documents and haven'tsigned anything then there isnt a written contract, but there may be a verbal contract. If you do have a contract, it is with churchills not the developer as presumably you have not spoken with or written to the developer. In your contract with them, did you instruct churchills to send this money to india?
If not, why then have churchills sent your money to a developer in india,
( who they may have a contract with, but you dont?)
If you didnt instruct churchills to send this money to a third party in india,I would instruct churchills in writing to return your money in full within 7 days.
As i said earlier, the bit about waiting to sell your property is pure bullshit.
When they get a 7 day letter (recorded delivery stating amount, date method etc) they should instruct their lawyers and you will either get your money back or a statement from them as to why they arent going to pay you.
You can then take legal advice or proceed in the CC yourself.
regards
douglas
