Hi susan 1

If you wish to talk about buying through acron on this thread there is no one stopping you other than yourselves. No one is attacking you , just challenging some of the information you are posting , such as using the word buying when it is possible that you are specifically prohibited from buying immovable property in india ( if you are a non resident british national that is). Remember that this site is titled british ex pats and any visiting british national would quite reasonably expect that the information provided would be applicable to them. Having said that everyone is of course welcome.

If non resident FN acronites dont wish to be challenged on this site, then dont misinform, eg dont use incorrect terminoligy such as substituting the word buying for leasing. If you wish to misinform amongst yourselves and not be challenged, then why not use PMs, then no one is affected by the misinformation other than yourselves?

In order to quickly identify potential misinformation and habitual misinformers on the site, it would be helpful if all contributors would declare their status at outset eg non resident FN, pio ,nri, indian resident etc. We would then immediately know whether we needed to challenge or not, in the interest of those seeking knowledge and truth.

As i am sure you are aware, a statement made by an indian resident regarding buying immovable property in goa may be correct and the same statement made by a non resident FN maybe incorrect and therefore worthy of a challenge.

As a general statement, this is a public site and provided contributors stick within its rules, we can quite rightly state what we feel and know. You dont have any special privileges on this thread as a founder member and shouldnt expect any. I started the buyer beware thread , but i dont see it as my thread and as far as i am concerned anyone (including acronites) can come on it and challenge anything that i or anyone else says, or become involved in any discussion on any subject to do with goa.

By all means voice an opinion, but please be prepared to debate, explain or substantiate your statements when challenged ( particularly if they are incorrect). Few people are as prolific or opinionated as i am and i welcome any examination , discussion or challenge on anything i have posted on this thread or elsewhere.

regards
douglas

No you see your wrong, i don't need to debate, explain or substantiate anything, reading through this forum, you've said the same thing as many times on lots of different threads, now is boring
This thread was started by Rosemary who wanted to meet/talk to others who HAVE purchased through Acron, to chat about things before meeting up when the apartments are finished.
As for special privileges god knows what your talking about and your thread Buyers Beware why would anyone including the Acronites (as you call them)what to challenge anything you've said, people can only read and make up their OWN MINDS TO DO WHATS BEST FOR THEM.

By the way hows Villa Maria coming on? all sorted with tiles and deco, if your not maybe Douglas could give advise, bye

Hi susan 1,

If there is anyone out there who is a FN and has successfully purchased through acron ie signed and registered a sales deed , we would also be delighted to hear from them and chat about it.

Details like how and when they did it, what type of visa did they have, were they resident at the time and how they are getting on with the department of enforcement investigation into their registration, would also be of interest.

I accept that i have said the same thing many times before and it is boring. Legislation like FEMA can appear so, but it is nevertheless crucial for a FN to understand it and it is therefore worthy of repetition.

The special privilege i previously referred to is your confirmation of the fact that you dont want to debate, explain, or substantiate anything that you post.

If you dont like the term acronites please provide me with an alternative and i will try and use it.

The words in your first para " No you see you are wrong" is a challenge in my book miss acronite, but i dont mind you challenging me on a public site. That is your right and if i didnt like it or wasnt capable of defending my input, I wouldnt be posting on here, please challenge away.

I did in fact set up a thread some time ago for those specifically in denial, but as far as i recall there was no one who admitted to their denial state , hence my continued quest on other threads.

If you want advice on tiles please let me know, i dont like the purple ones with the silver sparkly bits either.

regards
douglas

Douglas

Sat in my little office in Portsmouth and so glad to see you are still fighting the cause. I am now firmly in reverse gear and am in regular contact with Churchils to sell my "investment". I have currently parted with 12 of the £24K required for my apartment in Siolim. Funnily enough the previous rush to gobble up apartments in Goa doesn't seem to extend to the resale market.
I have decided the money would be better spent on the 1 acre field adjacent to my house in Cornwall; only corrupt councillors to worry about there.
Keep up the good work and I'll let you know how the Churchill saga pans out.

Hi dicky,

Nice to hear from you, Portsmouth is a distant memory for me, i was last there in about 1980, i am sure it has changed a lot.

I am still enjoying myself on the site, getting a good mix of experienced and knowledgable people on here now. ( as well as a few of the inexperienced and unknowledgable that previously inhabited these parts)

Keep up the pressure on Churchills, i would have had them in the CC by now (assuming they are trading and registered in UK)

Any investment has to be better than an agreement to sale on an apartment that has yet to be built etc.

Keep in touch on the Churchills saga.

kind regards
douglas

Douglas

The CC is certainly an option. I ensured that when I paid funds, I paid them into the Churcils account in the UK and not direct to the Indian developer (which funnily enough was Churchils preference) just in case things went wrong. I will give them a sensible period in which to resell my flat. I am already pre loading my solicitor with data if I need to kick off in court. Such a shame that the Goan dream seems to be yet another potential nightmare. Will keep the forum in the picture.

Hi Susan,
I know you think that we are all doom and gloom. But have your actually got your Sale Deeds Registered. We bought in 2001 and have our sale Deed Registered in Mapsa. We have (by what we have been legally advised) done every thing by the book, and are being investigated by the Directorate of Enforcement - we (our year) were the first to be investigate, we had 15 days to comply with what they wanted, found an Advocate cost us £100 and that was 7 months ago and to date do not know where we stand. In Indian law it is no good saying we are in the right. They change their minds like we change our knickers. We have bought not from Acron (who I have respect for) but from another leading Developer who offered their clients their money back when it was impossible for their clients to conform to the 183 days, on a five year x visa, and before the Registar close to FN.
I understand your feelings towards Douglas, but he is speaking the truth. We too were ignorant at the time we bought. We really enjoyed designing the Apartment, the new kitchen, the handmade furniture, the excitement of seeing it all come together. But the disappointment when we read you may only get a 6 months T -visa, some said 3 T-months visa - luckily we got a two year one yesterday, and only because we had the full Sale Deeds. Goa was and is our dream, we have been coming here since the early 1990's. We have friends from all walks of life there. It was not bought as an investment, it was bought for the children and grandchildren to enjoy the culture.

I hope you all enjoy your Apartments, without the hassel we have had, but please respect those who have tried to help those who have not, as yet been placed into our position. All those Registered since 1999 are now starting to be investigate.

Hopefully one day it will all come together, and we can live peacefully
"Our Dream"

Regards to All
Noni

Nicely put Noni; looks like you and Douglas are becoming "Good Cop - Bad Cop"!!

Hi ya Dicky,
Long time no hear.
Good to see you havnt deserted us all together and good to see your still keeping abreast of things.

Kind Regards,
Remy

Remy

Been here for a while watching in silence, nice to be back.

Please be assured I have great respect for Douglas, he is only trying to help others not to be in our position.

Me too!

Hi Noni and Dicky,

I dont mind being labelled "the bad cop", i think it was an appropriate analogy.

Popularity is secondary in my book to the task of drilling down to the bed rock in search of the truth . Sometimes and with some people, it is necessary to be assertive to the point of confrontational, in order to do that .

There are a few acronites who still seem determined to come on this site and tell us that they are buying immovable property in goa, when they must surely now know that that is not possible as non resident FNs, (they are simply leasing).

The danger here is that a newbie FN accepts this misinformation at face value, goes along to acron who doesnt tell them the truth either and takes their money. The pool of misinformed , deluded and eventually disappointed FNs, then grows, rather than diminishes.

On several occasions i have requested on this thread that FNs who have actually bought through acron come forward and give us the details. We have not had one response to date.

Even if these so far elusive acronites have managed to get to first base and have registered a sales deed, they still have to survive the D of E investigation along with the rest of us.

This investigation could be the greatest hurdle so far or FNs. The questions no 8 and 9 on the D of E standard letter deal with intention and reason to stay in india, both essential elements for the FN residency qualification.

These issues are subjective and qualitative (rather than quantative, as in the 183 days) and will be the hardest to prove to the enquiry. The onus is on the FN to prove residency if and when required.

I paste the D of E letter below for reference.

regards to all

douglas


It is further seen that you are a British National and presently residing at the above address in this regard you may please provide/furnish the following information/documents to the undersigned.

1. Complete Authenticated Copy of your passport including that of any additional booklet in legible form.

2. Also mention total period of stay in India year-wise from financial year 2001-2002, 2002-2003,2003-2004 and 2004-2005

3. Authenticated copy(ies) of permits granted to you to reside in India from time to time.

4. Updated transcripts of all Bank Accoun(s) maintained by you
individually/jointly or severally in India.

5. Total consideration amount paid for purchase of the above-said property and mode of payment (Cash amount/Cheque amount)

6. Authenticated copy of the sale deed in respect of the above property.

7. Similar information, in respect of other property purchased by you in India.

8. Please state exactly the purpose of your residing in India and furnish supporting papers as may be necessary.

9. Please state complete details of your profession/business/service in India and abroad, such as name and address of Organisation along with documentary evidence.

noni said Congratulations - please post that info loud and clear - I have been accused of disinformation for saying that was possible.

AndyD 8-)#

Hi Douglas/All,

Have just re-read last few pages of most recent threads and topics and maybe i'm being over analytical, but i realized my sense of humour in some of my recent topics (meant in good faith) could be perceived as a bit ambiguous/insincere(?) Anyway i don't like to be misunderstood so just thought i'd clarify to you Douglas that i do genuinely and sincerely appreciate all the time and energy you've put into answering my own and many other BE members Qs/offering advice and for being a much needed catylist for some of us to question more deeply the many issues and problems to consider surrounding the FN property saga in Goa (myself ofcourse included as formally in and out of denial, and still prone to bouts of confusion/mental melt down)!

More importantly, i'm very grateful to you Douglas for your ability to separate the emotions (of those of us caught up in the saga) from the reality and for offering viable solutions based on your indepth research of the laws and how these relate to the current situation in Goa, and i'm also very grateful to all the other contributors on this site including Remy, Noni, Tony and others who have also shared much useful information and food for thought.

Anyway sorry if this has lapsed into an Oscars winner style speech (but it is sincerely meant).

Kind Regards to All - TDK