The Plumbers crack
May 4th 2010 | 9:31 pm
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Re: The Plumbers crack
what a bizarre post...
May 4th 2010 | 10:19 pm
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May 5th 2010 | 1:20 am
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Re: The Plumbers crack
As a 'university educated' (MSc artificial intelligence) person...
I call bollocks. I know people far smarter than me who have gone into trades as they could see which way the money was blowing. I'd hazzard it has more to do with the trades being respected more and therefore being able to get a job that suited them vs geeks like me who want a 'good' job and end up getting demoted in the move over as there are plenty of university educated Canadians.
Anecdotally, I am very happy here. And I'd challenge Kate or anyone here to go up vs my non-university educated brother and discuss philopshers with, as I'm sure you'd not only have a blast but learn something from him. (vice versa also possibly true depending on who the non-brother party was)
I call bollocks. I know people far smarter than me who have gone into trades as they could see which way the money was blowing. I'd hazzard it has more to do with the trades being respected more and therefore being able to get a job that suited them vs geeks like me who want a 'good' job and end up getting demoted in the move over as there are plenty of university educated Canadians.
Anecdotally, I am very happy here. And I'd challenge Kate or anyone here to go up vs my non-university educated brother and discuss philopshers with, as I'm sure you'd not only have a blast but learn something from him. (vice versa also possibly true depending on who the non-brother party was)
In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.
I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.
This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.
n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]
All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!
May 5th 2010 | 1:39 am
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Re: The Plumbers crack
It seems that a lot of people are denying that an arts/ social education would give an appreciation of a non popular culture. I don't doubt your brother has aesthetic leanings without a university education, but a university education in the arts, has to help in the appreciation of it The understanding of art and literature leads to the understanding of life it's self.
In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.
I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.
This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.
n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]
All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!
In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.
I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.
This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.
n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]
All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!
but codswallop!!!!!!!!
May 5th 2010 | 1:52 am
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Re: The Plumbers crack
It seems that a lot of people are denying that an arts/ social education would give an appreciation of a non popular culture. I don't doubt your brother has aesthetic leanings without a university education, but a university education in the arts, has to help in the appreciation of it The understanding of art and literature leads to the understanding of life it's self.
In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.
I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.
This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.
n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]
All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!
In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.
I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.
This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.
n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]
All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!
Do you really think that those who have had a university education are able to understand culture better than those without? Utter tosh.
There are too many variables for that to be true.
Would you care to guess who on here has had a 'suitable' education and who hasn't - just by their posts?
May 5th 2010 | 1:58 am
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Re: The Plumbers crack
It seems that a lot of people are denying that an arts/ social education would give an appreciation of a non popular culture. I don't doubt your brother has aesthetic leanings without a university education, but a university education in the arts, has to help in the appreciation of it The understanding of art and literature leads to the understanding of life it's self.
In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.
I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.
This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.
n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]
All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!
In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.
I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.
This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.
n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]
All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!
I hate to pop your bubble, but you appear only to have reinforced your own inadequacies rather than made any substantive point at others' expense.
At least part of the insult and arrogance comes from the supposition that you can cut & paste a passage from somewhere on the Internet, complete with footnote references (starting from 7, for some reason) and hope that we won't notice. At the very least you might have included the footnotes themselves.
As to the content of the passage you quote, it's meaningless claptrap. Look to any social history of England during the Industrial Revolution and you will see passages remarkably similar to the one bemoaning the "replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." This is not a new phenomenon, and certainly not unique to the post-WWII era, as one of your authors suggests. If he's arguing against the "Disneyfication" of mass entertainment, it would be just as easy to counter-argue that the pleasure piers in Blackpool, Brighton, Southend, etc were subject to exactly the same criticisms 150 years and more ago.
May 5th 2010 | 2:04 am
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Re: The Plumbers crack
May 5th 2010 | 2:18 am
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Re: The Plumbers crack
I prefer Cezanne and saw some of his work only last weekend at the National Gallery. They let people without degrees in you know.
May 5th 2010 | 2:19 am
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May 5th 2010 | 2:39 am
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Re: The Plumbers crack
Your' welcome.
