Originally Posted by kate 17

I'm beginning to thnk that some people here are really stupid. It's not personal insults. It's what I really think.

Of course being educated in the arts help you understand them!!!!!!!!!!!!

Education helps you understand anything!


Escape to the countries on.........bugger this nonsense.

Originally Posted by kate 17

It seems that a lot of people are denying that an arts/ social education would give an appreciation of a non popular culture. I don't doubt your brother has aesthetic leanings without a university education, but a university education in the arts, has to help in the appreciation of it The understanding of art and literature leads to the understanding of life it's self.

In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.

I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.

This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.

n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]


All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!

Originally Posted by kate 17

I'm beginning to thnk that some people here are really stupid. It's not personal insults. It's what I really think.

Of course being educated in the arts help you understand them!!!!!!!!!!!!

Education helps you understand anything!


Escape to the countries on.........bugger this nonsense.

Originally Posted by Oink

This folksy anti-intellectualism is so north America, way to go with the assimilation. Sarah Palin rocks.

Originally Posted by kate 17

It seems that a lot of people are denying that an arts/ social education would give an appreciation of a non popular culture. I don't doubt your brother has aesthetic leanings without a university education, but a university education in the arts, has to help in the appreciation of it The understanding of art and literature leads to the understanding of life it's self.

In Canada, the culture is mainly sport and trite media as well as the outdoor life. it's not enough for me personally and that's why I'm going home as a university educated person,but even if I wasn't one, I would still want more out of life than I'm getting here.

I did read however that a university education does not correlate with an appreciation of art and literature so I will concede that a lot of university educated people are going back to the Uk for job related reasons.

This is a little paragraph I found about popular culture. The Uk has a debased culture as well. I'm not saying it hasn't I just think that there are more opportunities there to avoid it.

n Rosenberg and White's book Mass Culture, MacDonald argues that " Popular culture is a debased, trivial culture that voids both the deep realities (sex, death, failure, tragedy) and also the simple spontaneous pleasures. . . . The masses, debauched by several generations of this sort of thing, in turn come to demand trivial and comfortable cultural products."[7] Van den Haag argues that "...all mass media in the end alienate people from personal experience and though appearing to offset it, intensify their moral isolation from each other, from reality and from themselves." He argues that mass media then lessens "...people's capacity to experience life itself." ."[8] Critics have lamented the ".. replacement of high art and authentic folk culture by tasteless industrialised artefacts produced on a mass scale in order to satisfy the lowest common denominator." [9] This "mass culture emerged after the Second World War and have led to the concentration of mass-culture power in ever larger global media conglomerates." The popular press decreased the amount of news or information that and replaced it with entertainment or titilation that reinforces "... fears, prejudice, scapegoating processes, paranoia, and aggression." [10]


All this before I have even finished my coffee!!!!!

Originally Posted by Oink

I too think that people with, lets say, more formal schooling are more adept at understanding their surroundings, rationally and analytically. Plus, they tend to be better looking, drive nicer cars and often smell better.

Originally Posted by Steve_P

Sorta like the young fella in yer avatar...right.

Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon

um, but didnt you say on another thread that if people bore you etc or if "friends" are of no use you antagonise or ignore them -something along those line- I forget all of it -I got bored after your first few posts.

Originally Posted by Oakvillian

How could one not? ISTR a conversation with 4Bells on this subject - she was at the soon-to-become-Oxford-Brookes at roughly the same time I was messing about in boats in the other place at the bottom of Headington Hill. To save her blushes I won't mention how long ago that was, but you and I are doubtless more or less of an age.

Originally Posted by Oink

I'll have you know that in Barry Hines' sequal we find our Jimmy went on to do double in Ornithology and Hegelian Phenomenology.

Originally Posted by fledermaus

Don't move the goal posts. You specified a university education not being educated. There is a difference.

Originally Posted by kate 17

I can't do this multiquote thing so I will do you one at a time.

Is not a university education the pinnacle of education in western society?
So yes, you can be self educated, but a university education has to be so much richer because profs should really know their subjects.

Originally Posted by kate 17

I can't do this multiquote thing so I will do you one at a time.

Is not a university education the pinnacle of education in western society?

Originally Posted by Caitilin

Which obviously accounts for your footnoting starting at 7 and ending at 10, skipping 1-6. Said brother regularly frequents west end stages (actor, not viewer, though viewer too) so I'd say he has the arts and liberal stuff well covered.

And regardless of having something covered, I can't say I see the sun as astounding journalism. Good investigative reporting? Very hard to come by.

And I would argue, admittedly though my sources are on a container on the ocean, that britain is falling victim mostly to the rise of the monster 'moral panic' and that we all need to take a chill pill. You are not going to get mugged by roving hordes of teens wherever you go! Especially not as a little old lady! you're the least likely victim. Try male, 18-24 demographic.