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Old May 5th 2010 | 4:46 am
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Originally Posted by kate 17
I can't do this multiquote thing so I will do you one at a time.

Is not a university education the pinnacle of education in western society?
So yes, you can be self educated, but a university education has to be so much richer because profs should really know their subjects.
Define what you mean by this? Do you mean the highest one education one can achieve in a subject? A Bachelor's degree is only the start of further education.

I've worked with physicists who were knee deep in PhDs who hadn't a clue about the arts. They could talk you through CERN, discuss why if there were aliens that they wouldn't be 10 feet tall, worry about the best way to make coffee but spot a Turner from across the room? Heck as like.
 
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Originally Posted by Oakvillian
Why the necessity for a degree, though? I have no formal education in the fine arts - I'm a graduate engineer, for God's sake, you can't get much more Philistine an education than that. However, I can read and write, and through the wonders of the printing press (a piece of technolgy, by the way, invented by an artificer goldsmith, who today would probably be considered an engineer) I have access to books about high culture and the arts, through which I have been able to learn enough to appreciate fine art, literature, music, etc. Nor, incidentally, does that mean I magically lose the ability to appreciate sport, the "outdoor life," or any of the other "low culture" pursuits that you so derided in an earlier post.
The central problem of your life Oakville is that you are an engineer.Engineers usually have no time for the arts....I'm married to an engineer and it's a dive into the garage for him if I start talking poetry and such.


You can read my comment to the fledermouse for clarification.

I think sport is a low life preoccupation, but I'll watch the world cup anyway!

Outdoor pursuits if they are in contemplation of nature are ok.
 
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Originally Posted by kate 17
It seems that a lot of people are denying that an arts/ social education would give an appreciation of a non popular culture.
Just because you're losing a debate doesn't mean you get to change the goalposts to suit your needs. Nobody has defined the exact education and neither have you until now.

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Originally Posted by Oink
I think you have a good point and I applaud your concise and linear augment. I too think that people with, lets say, more formal schooling are more adept at understanding their surroundings, rationally and analytically. Plus, they tend to be better looking, drive nicer cars and often smell better.
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Hey, you lot will have to wait your turn! I'm working on it all!
 
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Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon
Oi Kate why did you ignore comment - have to troll, sorry trawl all the way back to find it now.

Or do you only debate with the university educated ones?
It's ok, she's not replied to mine - post #85 - where she loses her initial argument.

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Originally Posted by kate 17
The central problem of your life Oakville is that you are an engineer.Engineers usually have no time for the arts....I'm married to an engineer and it's a dive into the garage for him if I start talking poetry and such.


You can read my comment to the fledermouse for clarification.

I think sport is a low life preoccupation, but I'll watch the world cup anyway!

Outdoor pursuits if they are in contemplation of nature are ok.
Nothing was clear in your comment to me.
 
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Originally Posted by kate 17
Hey, you lot will have to wait your turn! I'm working on it all!
Listening to the shipping report again?
 
Old May 5th 2010 | 5:03 am
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Originally Posted by The4BellsLondon
Oi Kate why did you ignore comment - have to troll, sorry trawl all the way back to find it now.

Or do you only debate with the university educated ones?
Hello little miss ding dong,

Some posts I ignore if I think they are not worth bothering with....sometimes I do miss them, but I will answer you.

Friends was it....err I said that I do neglect my friends this is because I spend lots of time arguing with the cerebrally challenged on the internet,working, running a home, dealing with family.

Seriously can you keep up with all the people that want to be your friend...I wish I could.

I don't understand the exchange with the Oakville at all should I have done?
 
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
Not at all. Being a plumber or an electrician is these days. University degrees are ten-a-penny.
Yes, but here... excuse me screaming


WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ARTS AND HOW BEST TO INTERPERATE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by fledermaus
Define what you mean by this? Do you mean the highest one education one can achieve in a subject? A Bachelor's degree is only the start of further education.

I've worked with physicists who were knee deep in PhDs who hadn't a clue about the arts. They could talk you through CERN, discuss why if there were aliens that they wouldn't be 10 feet tall, worry about the best way to make coffee but spot a Turner from across the room? Heck as like.
I know this dear, see my explanation to Atlantic.

I'm losing the bloody plot here!
 
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Originally Posted by kate 17
Yes, but here... excuse me screaming


WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ARTS AND HOW BEST TO INTERPERATE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go on admit it, you don't have a degree do you?
 
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Originally Posted by kate 17
Hello little miss ding dong,

Some posts I ignore if I think they are not worth bothering with....sometimes I do miss them, but I will answer you.

Friends was it....err I said that I do neglect my friends this is because I spend lots of time arguing with the cerebrally challenged on the internet,working, running a home, dealing with family.

Seriously can you keep up with all the people that want to be your friend...I wish I could.

I don't understand the exchange with the Oakville at all should I have done?

He can be somewhat oblique but what I can untangle from his comment is, being an engineer doesn’t necessarily preclude an understanding of the finer points of human culture. Although on further reading of his post, it does beg the question how in-depth and sophisticated can you be about certain subjects by simply reading the odd anthology in an rather ad hoc manner.
 
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Originally Posted by el_richo
Just because you're losing a debate doesn't mean you get to change the goalposts to suit your needs. Nobody has defined the exact education and neither have you until now.

Naughty naughty, Kate
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I am losing the plot and haven't had the time to go back and think about it.

I'm saying that to understand Homer you probably need a bit of help...where better than a university.
 
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ok I've had enough of this claptrap and am tired of feeding the troll's overinflated 'university educated and therefore better than you are' ego.


Anyone who thinks that having a degree automatically makes you better than someone who doesn't is either arrogant, a fool, or both.
 


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