[QUOTE=hereandthere;8115577] And unlike bears, none of these insects actively hunt people either.
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what utter bollox, bears hunting people my arse. there may be the very very rare occasion of a rogue animal, almost any carnivorous animal, like a dingo, hunting a human, but this is in no way the norm. i have picked up two books on this, having a family and being concerned while hiking on trails around the rockies. bear attacks occur when they are disturbed, fight or flight. young cubs present, you get in between mother and cubs, young males who know no better, territoriality and protecting a kill/hunting area.


http://www.udap.com/safety.htm

Like to see you try that with a Huntsman Need to be at least an A3 piece of paper....

hence why i am not going to aus anytime soon. my friend in perth i have a feeling will invite us, sooner rather than later. this will be a toughie, love to see all the family again, and get some sun, but in all seriousness she has had snakes and redbacks under her house quite regularly and i don't like the sound of it at all.

Be ok if you're allowed to take your sidearm

quite. and they will not hunt me either apparently which is somewhat of a relief.

They won't "hunt" you, but don't like sharing a bed.....

Wife has a friend here that has black widows in the garden - when you're free, pop over with your Glock

yes i'd heard you can get them out east, fortunately non this way thank goodness.

I've been a bit blasé when it comes to spiders to be honest - they all seem tiny compared to the hairy beasts we used to see in the UK, I should perhaps pay more attention if they're potentially poisonous!

[QUOTE=rae;8115855][QUOTE=hereandthere;8115577] And unlike bears, none of these insects actively hunt people either.

Sigh. Polar bears actively hunt people, and there have been several high profile cases of other bears tracking and attacking (aka hunting) people, including Jacqueline Perry in 2005 who was killed in a predatory attack in Ontario, Maurice Malenfant who was attacked and killed in his campsite in Quebec in 2002, James Waddell who was dragged out of his tent in Alberta and killed in 1991, and George Halfkenny, Mark Halfkenny, Billy Rhindress who were followed and killed by a black bear while fishing in Ontario. The list goes on and on. Others have been killed in their tents while sleeping, which would suggest they weren't provoking the bears at the time.

I also note that there is no longer an argument being made against my statement that bears kill more people in Canada than sharks et al do in Australia, so I take this to mean this has been looked at, discovered as true, and dropped.

Anyway, as you see, bears can and most certainly do hunt people, so maybe you should read more widely if you're going to hike in their territory.

I've read about grizzlies hunting people. Though they are mean buggers.

If you are going into their territory then they are defending their territory, thats not quite the same as bears being hunters. People hunt bears more than bears hunt people. Don't think a bear gets up in the morning, puts on the fatigues and thinks about who they are going to go after today. Keep out of their territory and to a large part they will leave you alone.There are no reliable stats I can find that support any of your theories, if you are going to make such statements it would be more credible to post links to such information, which you seem unable to do.

I gave you the actual names of the victims. Their actual identities. I googled the first name in conjunction with the word "bear" and guess what? I got the story. While mainly staying in their own territory, they are one of the few animals that not only do hunt people but also can and do enter our territory. Sharks have never blundered into suburbia - sorry no links on that but I am confident about it. Incredible, but all I am doing is pointing out a fact - is the reply "that's interesting, I never knew that" or fingers stuck in ears and "la la la la" said at a high volume?

The only problem with that argument is that sharks can and do hang out around beaches, which tend to be next to the sea, where they live, which is part of the vaunted Aussie Lifestyle, mmkay.

What I'm more interested in is why people like you always come over from the Okker forum to throw your weight around about how great Straya is. Doth protest too much, methinks. The fact is, not everyone is as in love with your country as you are.

Another unprovoked ad hominem. We are discussing whether to migrate to Canada or Australia. I guess the conversation might be slightly more useful if it actually includes people living in Australia. I mentioned the fact that bears kill more people in Canada than sharks do in Australia, and people "in love" with Canada just won't have it. What exactly is your contribution to question of whether to migrate to Canada or Australia?

NB Australia is not my country and how I feel about it is hardly revealed by mentioning a shark death statistic.

[QUOTE=hereandthere;8116020][QUOTE=rae;8115855] sigh. lumping polar bears in with bears likely to be anywhere near cities or towns, not remote outposts with no more than a few hundred people in, is like lumping every single shark bite from around the whole coast of aus, and spiders, and snakes. straws, grasping.

then you skip from polar bears, onto people camping in woods being attacked by other bears. back to territoriality, food being left in camping grounds and tents, young bears who don't know any different. if you have heard this before its because i have said it before. i am surprised i have to point out to you that walking up to a tent with someone asleep in it is not really hunting is it. not much tracking done there, is there? not much stalking there, is there? not much chasing there, is there? what crap.
and the list does not go on and on, you mention 3 names over a 14yr timespan!!

i'm not arguing the bear/shark stats, as you still not have posted any. and besides, you keep changing them from bear-shark, bear-shark and spider, then snakes. you are all over the place.

i notice you have not mentioned anything about the stats for over 2,000 people bitten by spiders each year in aus. i have no stats on that many people being bitten by bears, funny that eh.

oh by the way, why not drag in the jellyfish, sea snakes and barracudas for deaths and bites. notice you glossed over them too.