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Old Nov 22nd 2009 | 1:03 pm
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People from australia that i've met don't really complain about the cute sharks or whatever. It's the incessant and annoying flies - it's why they have those silly cork hats.
 
Old Nov 22nd 2009 | 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by dollface
But at the end of the day......................who really cares?
I'm just asking kiwilass why arguing a fact makes my argument weak. That's all.
 
Old Nov 22nd 2009 | 1:04 pm
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But at the end of the day......................who really cares?
I can name two people.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
People from australia that i've met don't really complain about the cute sharks or whatever. It's the incessant and annoying flies - it's why they have those silly cork hats.
I wished I had one of those the other day actually. The flies got out of control for a few minutes and I suddenly understood cork hats.
 
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Originally Posted by rae
post 31, quote.....I'm not moving to Canada because of the bears. Which by the way kill loads more people every year than spiders, snakes and sharks put together in Aus.

you really should be careful constantly changing your position on here. perhaps its time to go back to the barbie, cook some shrimp, talk about anal sex, rugby and abusing the wife.
From page 31 - my post:

"Not down your local suburb no. It's as absurd as someone saying I'm not moving to Canada because of the bears. Which by the way kill loads more people every year than spiders, snakes and sharks put together in Aus."

How is that inconsistent with my point that bears kill loads more people in Canada?


Also, last paragraph of yours a little low grade, no?
 
Old Nov 22nd 2009 | 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by hereandthere
The reality is I have ejected two spiders out my house in a year and not seen a snake in that time period. The spiders were so savage I threw them out with an upturned margarine tub. As for sharks - I swim every night in the ocean if I can and totally without fear. The depth of the water is too shallow for great whites, which have been spotted further out where it's deeper. The dolphins come in much closer and that really is great fun.

None of these things impede my life in any way, and neither would bears if I lived in Canada - which was my original point - how annoying it is when people in the UK say they won't move to Aus because of the sharks, etc - they don't say the same thing about bears and Canada yet statistically you're going to be bear food on your hike before your shark food on your swim.
firstly on stats....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_decade#2000s

thats 15 canadian deaths since 2000 to bear. (pun)

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...article_upsell

quote..."There are about five snake-bite deaths a year in Australia, where there are many venomous snakes, including the elapids (eg, death adder, taipan, tiger snake, and sea snakes)"

so thats about 45 to snakes alone, then the sharks...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ath-woman.html

quote.."There have been 10 fatal shark attacks in Australia since 2000"

so we are up to 55 now. no spider deaths since the anti venom, but lots and lots of bites, over 2,000, link above. so you are ok as long as you can get to a Dr.

even more worryingly for you...

quote ..(same article).."They also hope to confirm the type of shark, and number, involved in the attack, which occurred in chest-high water at a popular swimming beach." nothing to do with great whites, bull sharks in this instance, no one has mentioned great whites before now.

you may want to cheerily discount the hazard here, but you cannot deny there is a hazard.
 
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Originally Posted by hereandthere
Statistically more people have been killed by bears in Canada than by sharks in Australia. This is my argument. How is it weak?
depends how you select your source, what years, how far back you go. stats for everything as above.
 
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From page 31 - my post:

"Not down your local suburb no. It's as absurd as someone saying I'm not moving to Canada because of the bears. Which by the way kill loads more people every year than spiders, snakes and sharks put together in Aus."

How is that inconsistent with my point that bears kill loads more people in Canada?


Also, last paragraph of yours a little low grade, no?
because you originally stated, sharks, snakes and spiders together, now its just sharks, you are twisting it to fit.

whats the matter with the last bit, where has the famous australian sense of humour/wind up gone.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I can name two people.
In reality, don't you think that Rae is winding hereandthere up? perhaps he's read the other threads she/he has posted on and is extracting the Michael a tad ?? maybe not of course, maybe he's just an argumentative bugger but he's our argumentative bugger!
 
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Originally Posted by dollface
In reality, don't you think that Rae is winding hereandthere up? perhaps he's read the other threads she/he has posted on and is extracting the Michael a tad ?? maybe not od course, maybe he's just an argumentative bugger but he's our argumentative bugger!
i haven't read anything else, and i certainly have nothing against him/her, i just mentioned what about the spiders when they were talking about aus and we got to this, like its some big bloody secret or something.

i have no issue with people saying bears kill people and it can be dangerous in them thar mountains, of course it is. so why is it such an issue, (i find anyway) generally for aussies to recognize their terrible country is infested with hostile poisonous man eating creatures on land and sea.

(i may be winding them up just a bit)
 
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Originally Posted by rae
i haven't read anything else, and i certainly have nothing against him/her, i just mentioned what about the spiders when they were talking about aus and we got to this, like its some big bloody secret or something.

i have no issue with people saying bears kill people and it can be dangerous in them thar mountains, of course it is. so why is it such an issue, (i find anyway) generally for aussies to recognize their terrible country is infested with hostile poisonous man eating creatures on land and sea.

(i may be winding them up just a bit)

Ah ha!
 
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Originally Posted by hereandthere
The reality is I have ejected two spiders out my house in a year and not seen a snake in that time period. The spiders were so savage I threw them out with an upturned margarine tub.
oh i don't discount the fact that you can easily handle one of these spiders, from a distance, with a tool, in good light and with warning
just as i would have no trouble dispatching a bear, from 500m, with a high powered rifle and scope in good light.
does not really mean much though does it, apart from of course you are doing it in your home and i am up a mountain hundreds of miles from anywhere.
 
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quote ..(same article).."They also hope to confirm the type of shark, and number, involved in the attack, which occurred in chest-high water at a popular swimming beach." nothing to do with great whites, bull sharks in this instance, no one has mentioned great whites before now.

you may want to cheerily discount the hazard here, but you cannot deny there is a hazard.
You need to know your sharks, my lad. Chest-high water would be deep enough for a bull shark whose habitat is shallow waters. They are also very aggressive - more so than even great whites. Luckily, they do not swim within 1000 kms of my beach. And where I swim isn't even that deep, anyway. So no, not worried and will be in there tonight if the temperature warms up (it's only 22 today so far) so the water might not be that warm.

Alan - Sure, but it takes two to tango and I have a couple of hours free today
 
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Originally Posted by rae
oh i don't discount the fact that you can easily handle one of these spiders, from a distance, with a tool, in good light and with warning
just as i would have no trouble dispatching a bear, from 500m, with a high powered rifle and scope in good light.
does not really mean much though does it, apart from of course you are doing it in your home and i am up a mountain hundreds of miles from anywhere.
Hey - save it for this guy - he wants to know where your kitchen is:

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Originally Posted by hereandthere
I agree with your last paragraph - I get irritated when people on here use sharks or spiders as reason not to move to Australia. According to the Shark Research Institute of Australia there have been 11 fatal attacks in Australia in the past 50 years. There have been 16 fatal bear attacks in Canada in the last 20, and over 30 in the same time period that 11 people died by shark attack down under.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1111116004654

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._North_America
According to the Marine Education Institute of Australia 61 shark related deaths in the last 50 years.

http://www.mesa.edu.au/seaweek2005/pdf/infosheet12.pdf

Then how many people have dies in car accidents getting to these places in the last 50 years?
 


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