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Getting a job is hungray jacks is very easy. Having that play on the ego of an accountant shouldn't be the responsibilty of the tax payer.

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Anecdotal evidence I've seen here suggests it's not easy. They prefer to employ (cheaper) kids.

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Is the miminim of minimum wages more than one earns on the dole?

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They're also not advertising and getting a job is not easy even for school leavers.

It's easy getting a job delivering junk mail though. Pays supposed to be $21 for every thousand but young spark doesn't seem to get that much. Lowest paid week was just over $30 and highest just under $200 (which involved delivering about 13000 leaflets to just under 700 homes)

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This uni fee setting malarky is similar to what Labour did in the UK a half dozen or so years back. I completed my degree in 2007 and back then paid less than £2000 per year. This year, for what looks like the same course, the fees are £8500.

http://www.afr.com/p/national/uni_fe...hjzJWYBXrbntON

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It's not as if they lied to cling onto power. Come the next elections, they'll be forgiven.

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Agreed. Labour is clutching at straws on the liaring thing. They just have to look at their own actions to understand that. Labour needs some policies. The country needs viable alternatives. Finger and name calling is useless to man woman and beast.

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If Labor is talking up a point about Abbott lying they're not alone. It seems to be a common theme even across the media that have been so pro-coalition over recent years. Then there's the Liberal state premiers who also seem to be skirting around the same point...Denis Napthine all but called Abbott a liar on the news this morning, I think he chose his words carefully though, something like what Abbott has said 'wasn't accurate'.

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That's garbage. Hungry Jacks want people who will be around and not jumping ship when the inevitable better job comes along. They will also give you no promise to hours. So you might get 35 hours a week. You might get 3. Minimum wage is an hourly rate.

I think it's ridiculous that people can say that it's just job snobbery but yet the deficit tax (which I oppose) is not ok because people have a cost of living that needs and the mortgage needs to be paid.

Would you survive on 10 hours a week at Hungry Jacks if you have a pregnant wife and two kids at home which is on a mortgage? It really is amazing just how ignorant some people can be. Lose your job and you deserve to be homeless for not having money set aside for times like this. It would be nice to be able to say that we're lucky to not have such ignorance in government but the ignorance there looks to be even worse.

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They lied to obtain power. That's worse. They intended to scrap their policies as they were kissing your backside trying to get you to vote. Incredible that you want see that.

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Actually, come to think of it, they aren't lies - they are broken promises. There's not a million miles between the two I guess but the broken promise is more forgivable given the dire fiscal state that Labor left the country in and the important need to put things right. Labor's broken promises were for altogether different reasons.

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The fiscal state is not dire. That's the biggest lie of all.

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Labor did a deal to form government which involved doing something they said they wouldn't. According to the polling that something seems to be something half the electorate doesn't even have an issue with by the way.

You know full well Abbott would've done the same thing, and in fact did make offers to independents along those lines - $1B for a hospital in Hobart if you side with me! - they chose their poison.

Abbott doesn't have the excuse of having to compromise to form government.

This isn't about an alleged 'budget emergency' it's about ideology.

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It's a broken promise if you make it and then don't go through with it. Doesn't mean it's not a lie. If you intended to do it but then discovered you needed to change course, then you didn't lie. But the reason for changing course could be a lie. Abbott lied during the election campaign. He lied about everything he attacked Gillard on. He is now lying, but telling you he is doing what he said he would do. You admit he has broken promises but he doesn't. He's telling you that you were on notice. When he said there would be no new taxes, he had his fingers crossed behind his back and was visible to you if you cared to look.

Don't be dumb, these guys have been lying at least since Turnbull got kicked out of his seat.