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Nov 17th 2014, 2:27 am
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Nov 17th 2014, 2:45 am
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Nov 17th 2014, 2:51 am
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Re: Obamacare...
That will teach them not to have money.
Personally i would like to see all of the useless business that skims money from healthcare for profit be led away from the all you can eat buffet and find something useful to do for society.
Nov 17th 2014, 3:08 am
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Re: Obamacare...
I'd say they come equally under the umbrella of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
Nov 17th 2014, 3:10 am
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Surely happiness is a right.
Nov 17th 2014, 3:12 am
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Nov 17th 2014, 3:15 am
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Re: Obamacare...
That sounds pretty meaningless.
Pursuit of good health?
Pursuit of good health?
Nov 17th 2014, 3:17 am
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Don't you worry too much, mate. I've seen people die from stage IV cancers that could have been treated when it was at stage II. They didn't seek treatment when their cancer was treatable because it was only a chronic pain/lump and fatigue which they didn't dare go to the doctor with because they were uninsured or an illegal immigrant.
That will teach them not to have money.
Personally i would like to see all of the useless business that skims money from healthcare for profit be led away from the all you can eat buffet and find something useful to do for society.
That will teach them not to have money.
Personally i would like to see all of the useless business that skims money from healthcare for profit be led away from the all you can eat buffet and find something useful to do for society.
And I wonder who actually paid that bill. Was it
- The hospital?
- People with higher medical insurance premiums?
- The federal government?
- The state government?
- The local government?
- All of the above?
- None of the above?
Nov 17th 2014, 3:28 am
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Re: Obamacare...
I don't understand why healthcare is always discussed in this country only in terms of the individual in need of treatment. Disease and infection don't respect the social hierarchy. Does it not benefit everyone for individuals to be treated, rather than deteriorating, still going to their rubbish job with no sick leave, and potentially transmitting to everyone on the street/subway/etc. along the way?
Even by the horrendous standards of selfishness displayed in the healthcare debate, aren't I personally better off if those around me are healthier?
Even by the horrendous standards of selfishness displayed in the healthcare debate, aren't I personally better off if those around me are healthier?
Nov 17th 2014, 3:36 am
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Hence the need to focus on personal not public transport.
Nov 17th 2014, 4:24 am
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Re: Obamacare...
Personally, I am grateful and thrilled to have health insurance provided through the ACA. For the previous 6 or 7 years prior to the ACA I was priced out (they wanted £1,500 a month) and then when I decided I had no choice but to go for it, completely refused health insurance, because it transpired I had a high PSA level, which I didn't know about, from a blood test TEN YEARS EARLIER! I appealed the decision, to no avail. When the ACA came along, I grabbed it with both hands, got me a nice Humana policy, $71 a month with a $900 deductible. Within three months, March this year, I was diagnosed with Stage 4 lung cancer. Humana have been fantastic, no qualms about any treatment I have needed at all. One tumour in my chest has disappeared completely and the other has shrunk to a tiny size, so I am doing really well, still working every day and optimistic as I can be about life. All right, I have to start from scratch again next year, fortunately the same policy is available and I willl have to pay the $900 deductible again -- though I reach that pretty quickly with my treatments -- but to be quite honest, I don't mind. In fact, looking on the website today, my premium is actually going down by $9 a month.
Nov 17th 2014, 4:33 am
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So I don't understand. Farmers get subsidies to not grow crops, the government insures their crop, a bad harvest occurs, prices rise to consumers, and farmers are paid for their lost crops.
And the winner of the largest subsidies is Texas but California as largest producer of farm products is only 10th in subsidies just behind Arkansas.
EWG Farm Subsidy Database
Taxpayers Turn U.S. Farmers Into Fat Cats With Subsidies - Bloomberg
States Total Subsidy Payments || EWG Farm Subsidy Database
States That Produce The Most Food (Ranking 1 to 50)
It appears that the liberal "blue" states are fools for paying for all those subsidies for mostly "red" states.
It's also very confusing to me why the "Bush Medicare Reform" subsidized insurance companies (not consumers) to the tune of $1.2 trillion to provide little if any noticeable benefit in health care and no cost reduction for consumers and that was fine with republicans.
Eventually the final vote was 220 to 215. In the end, only 25 Republicans voted against the bill. All but 16 Democrats voted no.
Last edited by Michael; Nov 17th 2014 at 6:27 am.