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scrubbedexpat099 Apr 12th 2020 8:29 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
So far there has been one in the NYT

CNN zero

WaPo zero

MSNBC zero

Blasey Ford, circa 100 in each.

Giantaxe Apr 12th 2020 8:33 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12837647)
So far there has been one in the NYT

CNN zero

WaPo zero

MSNBC zero

Blasey Ford, circa 100 in each.

What's your view on the NY Times article?

johnwoo Apr 12th 2020 9:35 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12837528)
Makes the VP pick super important.

Good news for Bernie supporters.
I hope Biden drops out and Bernie becomes the Dem candidate. Then we have a clear choice between Trumps policies and Bernie's.

civilservant Apr 12th 2020 9:39 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Then we have a clear choice between Trumps policies and Bernie's.​​​​​​
I sincerely hope you're joking. Trump will win in a landslide.

The majority of the electorate do not want a Democratic Socialist to be President, myself included.

scrubbedexpat099 Apr 12th 2020 9:50 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12837649)
What's your view on the NY Times article?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/u...gtype=Homepage

The seven other women who had complained about Mr. Biden told the Times this month that they did not have any new information about their experiences to add, but several said they believed Ms. Reade’s account.Lucy Flores, a former Nevada state assemblywoman who accused Mr. Biden of making her uncomfortable by kissing and touching her during a 2014 campaign event, exchanged a few emails last year with Ms. Reade but said Ms. Reade did not share her full story.

“Biden is not just a hugger,” Ms. Flores said. “Biden very clearly was invading women’s spaces without their consent in a way that made them feel uncomfortable. Does he potentially have the capacity to go beyond that? That’s the answer everyone is trying to get at.”

Obviously I have no idea what happened, and that is not really the issue at hand.

In simple terms this does not seem that different to the ones against Trump, the coverage is vastly different.

This is what Joe said:

For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.

kimilseung Apr 12th 2020 9:50 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12837658)
I sincerely hope you're joking. Trump will win in a landslide.

The majority of the electorate do not want a Democratic Socialist to be President, myself included.

The majority, you are right, but the plurality is still with Sanders over Trump in just about every head to head poll

johnwoo Apr 12th 2020 10:35 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12837658)
I sincerely hope you're joking. Trump will win in a landslide.

The majority of the electorate do not want a Democratic Socialist to be President, myself included.

The majority of the electorate doesn't know it's head from it's ass.
Does that mean you prefer Trump to Sanders? Sanders would not be able to push through many of his policies, but it would be a step in the right direction.
Unless you like the way the country and the world is heading under Trump.

Steerpike Apr 12th 2020 10:37 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12837662)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/u...gtype=Homepage

The seven other women who had complained about Mr. Biden told the Times this month that they did not have any new information about their experiences to add, but several said they believed Ms. Reade’s account.Lucy Flores, a former Nevada state assemblywoman who accused Mr. Biden of making her uncomfortable by kissing and touching her during a 2014 campaign event, exchanged a few emails last year with Ms. Reade but said Ms. Reade did not share her full story.

“Biden is not just a hugger,” Ms. Flores said. “Biden very clearly was invading women’s spaces without their consent in a way that made them feel uncomfortable. Does he potentially have the capacity to go beyond that? That’s the answer everyone is trying to get at.”

Obviously I have no idea what happened, and that is not really the issue at hand.

In simple terms this does not seem that different to the ones against Trump, the coverage is vastly different.

This is what Joe said:

For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time.

I think the big, big difference here is, Biden is accused of being a hugger and a kisser; Trump was caught on tape admitting to 'pussy grabbing'. Now, Biden's behavior is certainly no longer considered 'socially acceptable' nor politically correct, but I honestly see him as just an old fashioned guy who did not have sexual desires with these women - specifically, he did not plan or expect to sleep with them or have sex with them.

Are Fox News not giving this the airtime you want to see? If not, then I would assume that speaks volumes.

scrubbedexpat099 Apr 12th 2020 10:41 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 12837688)
I think the big, big difference here is, Biden is accused of being a hugger and a kisser; Trump was caught on tape admitting to 'pussy grabbing'. Now, Biden's behavior is certainly no longer considered 'socially acceptable' nor politically correct, but I honestly see him as just an old fashioned guy who did not have sexual desires with these women - specifically, he did not plan or expect to sleep with them or have sex with them.

I am not going to go into Tara's accusations, just that it is beyond hugging and kissing, Trump is not a nice guy and comes across badly, but not sure he meant with the pussy grabbing is what he physically did, just a nasty turn of phrase.

civilservant Apr 12th 2020 10:54 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by johnwoo (Post 12837686)
The majority of the electorate doesn't know it's head from it's ass.
Does that mean you prefer Trump to Sanders? Sanders would not be able to push through many of his policies, but it would be a step in the right direction.
Unless you like the way the country and the world is heading under Trump.

I would never vote for Sanders. So yes, by extension, I prefer Trump.

Bernie would be a electoral disaster.

HDWill Apr 12th 2020 11:04 am

Re: 2020 Election
 
Dems and people who dislike Trump will do their best to put those Biden accusations out of their minds. Just like Repubs and Trumpters put his outrageous statements and accusations out of their minds. For both sides, "the stakes are too high." A few troubling black marks are not enough for them to switch to the opposition, whose policies and values they find abhorrent.

kimilseung Apr 12th 2020 11:06 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12837697)
I would never vote for Sanders. So yes, by extension, I prefer Trump.
Bernie would be a electoral disaster.

"electoral disaster" to whom? If he stands, you get your preferred (of the two) candidate elected, if you are right that people would not vote for him.
Although given, as stated a little earlier, most polls give Sanders ahead against Trump, what do you base your believe that Trump would win on? Regional voting differences?

scrubbedexpat099 Apr 12th 2020 11:06 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by HDWill (Post 12837702)
Dems and people who dislike Trump will do their best to put those Biden accusations out of their minds. Just like Repubs and Trumpters put his outrageous statements and accusations out of their minds. For both sides, "the stakes are too high." A few troubling black marks are not enough for them to switch to the opposition, whose policies and values they find abhorrent.

Yup

https://arcdigital.media/joe-bidens-...a-a8d16bbe0ddd

Joe Biden’s #MeToo Karma

The sexual assault accusation against Biden is not particularly credible. But Democrats’ embrace of “Believe women” puts them in a bind.


johnwoo Apr 12th 2020 11:23 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by civilservant (Post 12837697)
I would never vote for Sanders. So yes, by extension, I prefer Trump.

Bernie would be a electoral disaster.

What is it that you like about Trump, What good can anyone see in Trump?
I'm curious as to why anyone would vote for Trump under any circumstances.

scrubbedexpat099 Apr 12th 2020 11:26 am

Re: 2020 Election
 

Originally Posted by johnwoo (Post 12837713)
What is it that you like about Trump, What good can anyone see in Trump?
I'm curious as to why anyone would vote for Trump under any circumstances.

I assume most people, especially with this sort of choice, vote against things, Trumps policies are not that different to wht the Dems were doing 20 years ago, he has been a Dem for most of his life after all. Not everybody went woke.


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