UkWinds5353

Not with standing me being bad at this, what ever that is, We need to look at what is real and ask questions that get to the heart of these elections. Is America a more liberal or Progressive (better boiler?) country than the UK? I think most Europeans and Americans would say no. In the UK they just rejected progressive change by giving the Conservative option candidate a landslide victory. If huge change by liberals(Corbyn offered everything including a free pony for each household) can't win over the voting public in a country that believe a nanny state is a positive concept, how are you going to convince pick-up truck driving good ole boys in America? If you selected the answer you can't, that would be correct. Far left policies will never be popular enough to win the White House and it's fool hearty to ignore the fact you need moderate voters in order to take back control of the White House there simply aren't enough liberal voters to out number Independent + Republican voters in a contest for power. To stick to your guns and act like moderate voters in America are actually closet Progressives is the same as putting your head in the sand like an ostrich. You need people who will take a chance and vote for an option that does not oppose their beliefs. True progressive believers don't out number the opposite side. This election can be won by Democrats but Dogmatic thinkers can give Trump four more years in which he will cut social security, Medicaid and Medicare in order to pay for those permanent corporate tax breaks. So instead of gaining this new Healthcare system it is very possible to lose the safety net you already have in place. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Bernie Sanders voters then will get the blame for electing Trump not once but twice.

Again, my question is do you believe America is more progressive than the UK?

Btw, , Sanders has had five years to win over Hispanic and African American and Asian voters yet Joe Biden is winning minority voters by 5 to 1 against Sanders. There is a reason for that. Biden has a long history with those groups that go back decades. Sanders can't catch up now that he wants something from those groups.

scrubbedexpat099

You started OK but Corbyn has never been a Liberal, even in his younger days. And then you lost it again by saying liberal when I think you meant Progressive.

zargof

Oh for pity's sake. Why do just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again? You never address or refute any the points I make.

You bring up the UK election again, but don't address any of the reasons I already stated about how the comparison is stupid.
Do you really think that Sanders' policies are as left wing or even further to the left as Corbyn's? Because that's what your implying.

You talk about pickup driving good ole boys not supporting far left policies. Well
1) Sanders doesn't have far left policies.
2) You really think they are the only voting bloc in this country?
3) Have you actually fcking asked them if they would like healthcare and higher wages? The answer might surprise you.

Your point about Sanders voters being responsible for electing Trump twice doesn't even make any sense.
If they are responsible for Trump in 2020 by nominating him in the primary, then logically Clinton supporters would be responsible in 2016 for nominating her. Likewise if they are responsible for Trump in 2016 by not voting for Clinton (not true btw, but it's not like you actually care about facts), then it would be voters who didn't vote for Sanders in 2020 who were responsible.

UkWinds5353

What do "you" think the difference is between a liberal and a progressive in common usage of the words in America, and do you believe American voters will care about your belief in that difference? In terms of it's common lexicon usage of those words Americans will not. It's part of the vernacular.

zargof

Stop fking lying!!!!

"Notably, though, Sanders is the candidate who narrowly leads with nonwhite voters, 29% to 26%, over Biden. This might be because of Sanders' strength with younger voters of color and Latinos. But the margins of error with these subgroups are too high to draw any definitive conclusions."

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/16/78823...emocratic-race

UkWinds5353

Do you really believe there are more youth minority voters than minority older over-all? What can we draw from this one poll of Sanders garnering more support among minority groups? Probably nothing because it's the first poll to give Sanders an edge with those voters. But lets see if a one time poll can become a trend. You still didn't respond to my question.

Do you believe America is more progressive than the UK?

Nearly two million African American voters stayed at home in the 2016 election that came out in 2012. If Democrats can motivate those voters in PA. Michigan and Wisconsin then Trump can't win. But to date all I hear is Biden's name with those minority voters. Sanders' name is not popular. And offering free stuff doesn't always work. Just ask Corbyn.

zargof

I don't have to believe anything, I can just look at the numbers.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...s-baby-boomers

And because Sanders is overwhelmingly popular with younger voters, he would inspire even more to vote


It's not just one poll, it's just the latest poll. This has been true for months, rather than your Biden has a 5-1 advantage bullshit.
It's not a relevant question. Unless you really believe that Sanders is more progressive than Corbyn.
Really, then you obviously haven't been listening to many minority voters as Sanders has the most diverse coalition of supporters.

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/1821689...2020-president

Leslie

Because he's a passive/aggressive annoyance algorithm?

(I stole that from somebody else but it was too good to leave fallow)

UkWinds5353

Asking if America is a more progressive country compared to the UK is a very valid question if your dream of turning America's healthcare system into a similar system to that in Europe. Especially since socialism is dying a quick death in the UK and the last election makes that point quite well. But let us not get ahead of our selves. First we must get past Super Tuesday to know who exactly has the advantage. Right now Biden is far out in front because of his support with older voters and the minority voters. I believe Biden is currently up in the first real test where minority voters are a true reflection in the Democrat party. Biden in South Carolina is up 28% to Sanders 19%. Let's see how this all pans out. But one thing is for sure, Trump believe Biden is his biggest threat which explains why he attempted to use Ukraine to steal the 2020 election by manufacturing fake dirt on Biden. Trump doesn't seem concerned about Sanders. I wonder why.

UkWinds5353

That is still better than being an angry masochistic personality with sadistic leanings. But to each his or her own disorder. And I didn't need to steal my observation from anyone. I just read you like a book. Check Mate!

zargof

First, don't conflate the UK and Europe.
Second, how would implementing universal healthcare make the US *more* progressive than the UK or the rest of Europe?
Third, you say socialism is dying in the UK, but try taking away the NHS and see how that goes.

Biden isn't far out in the lead. He's third in Iowa, third in NH, but still holds a lead in NV (but no recent polling) and SC. But Bernie is catching him in SC, and also is leading in CA. So right now, it's a lot closer than you suggest. I would give Biden a small advantage, but Trump is like the pundit class and doesn't believe that Sanders has a chance regardless of how he performs. In some ways that works out well for Bernie as he isn't subject to so much of the negative press as he would be otherwise.

Biden's main argument is that he is the one who can beat Trump, but if comes in third in IA and NH, then that argument could take a big hit and affect his polling elsewhere.

Leslie

Tell us again how rich you are. That always makes you happy.

UkWinds5353

Not sure who this post could be referring to because not one time have I commented that I am financially rich. Please always be truthful when mentioning my postings. Using embellishments to argue your view point is a cheap tactic and beneath a person that can do better.

scrubbedexpat099

You can be rich in other ways than financial.

moneypenny20

Yes you have. I'm not going back to look/count because honestly I don't care enough but it's safe to say you've mentioned it more than once.