Originally Posted by johnwoo

I wonder how many people actually self fund their private healthcare. One would have to be very affluent to afford healthcare out of pocket.
Healthcare provided by employers has to be paid for by some means, i.e. passed on to the consumer. Even those that are getting no benefit from it.
If you're a government employee, it's the tax payer, if you work for a utility company it's payed through the utilities bill, and so on and so on. So those with no health care at all are subsidizing those that enjoy so called private healthcare plans, publicly funded by means other than taxation.
Just a thought

Originally Posted by Ingles

Just another thought :- Why is the "Health Care Industry" so bloody complicated in USA ?

Originally Posted by UkWinds5353

A 25 trillion dollar Medicare for all scheme that will bankrupt the nation will definitely be viewed as Socialism.

Originally Posted by Anian

How will a scheme that costs less than the current 32 trillion dollar system bankrupt anything? It's saving money.

Originally Posted by UkWinds5353

You haven't spoken to me in over a month, and the one time you do, it's with your usual negativity? Who is trolling who!

Btw, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Originally Posted by UkWinds5353

I don't. Just wanted to point out a bad case of duplicity. But I'm 100% sure other posters have noticed it as well. I try to give everyone a fair chance to redeem themselves but once they show who they are it's a done deal.

Originally Posted by dc koop

My experience is somewhat different from yours. I believe that if you show some initiative it's noticed and leads to other things. Like a few others of my co-workers I could have just laid back in the warehouse job which had good benefits but not that great a pay scale along with it. The power division manager at the city yards knew I had been studying electrical power transmission technology at evening class and called me into the office and offered me a job as a LIne Crew helper. The Yanks appreciate people who put in that extra and appear to want to move ahead. That's one thing I've noticed since moving here. It was a start to much better things and much better pay anyway and eventual retirement into a comfortable existence. Not to short change the missus either. She did a lot of hard study to eventually becoming a pharmacist

Originally Posted by civilservant

It wont cost less - it'll just shift the burden onto the taxpayer. It's a complete re-alignment of the healthcare of this country, and it would put many many people out of work.

Originally Posted by civilservant

It wont cost less - it'll just shift the burden onto the taxpayer. It's a complete re-alignment of the healthcare of this country, and it would put many many people out of work.

Originally Posted by UkWinds5353

You are forgetting some very important factors once again. Money interest are the very people who have the power to convince the average American how best to vote. But it's the extreme factions in the Democrat party that make winning easier for Republicans because they can point to the new scary idea as something not to be trusted. A 25 trillion dollar Medicare for all scheme that will bankrupt the nation will definitely be viewed as Socialism. You don't seem to understand how politics works in America. In the UK conservatives must at least pay lip service to protecting NHS but that is not true in the States. Conservatives are applauded in America for demanding everyone figure out on their own how to make it in this world. You refuse to believe America is who she is. Bernie Sanders missed his chance because I do believe he would have beaten Trump in 2016. His time has passed!!

But this really isn't about him or just one politician. The best reasonable healthcare plan will win over voters in the 2020 election. It is the biggest most important issue most voters will look at. And in regards to how the Supreme Court will factor in you are wrong to think they can't simply wipe away anything they want. Obama Care was decided Constitutional by just 1 vote. And mostly because the Chief Justice did not want to damage the Court by being too obviously partisan. But a healthcare system that takes everyone's rights away to have private insurance would not even survive lower court scrutiny.

It's a nice dream Zargof, but it's one better suited for a more progressive country. America is a central right country. And Socialist Bernie Sanders is probably running for President a century too soon for this country. One day a Socialist will not be seen as a kin to someone derogatory like a Communist. But to Independent voters in 2020 he would be the scary guy and crazy Trump will make sure of that. Trust me, it's much better to select a moderate candidate to advance the country incrementally. To ask to much of the American voter who tend to have the attention span of a toddler is to sabotage the achievements already gained. Do you really want to have current healthcare and social security slashed by a second term by Donald Trump because you were naïve enough to believe Independent voters are socialist people like you? You need to get on board with the idea of voting for a moderate who can actually win against Trump. There are still people that blame Bernie Sanders and his supporters for not supporting Hillary Clinton in the general election. That is one reason why a lot of people don't want to even consider Sanders again. It would be bad for the Democrat party and ultimately for the country if Trump wins again.

Originally Posted by civilservant

It wont cost less - it'll just shift the burden onto the taxpayer. It's a complete re-alignment of the healthcare of this country, and it would put many many people out of work.