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RoadWarriorFromLP Mar 11th 2016 7:54 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11893045)
Obama has had fewer executive orders per year than both the Bushes and Reagan:

Every President’s Executive Orders In One Chart | FiveThirtyEight

This is one reason that you can't deal with the typical Amercan right-winger: When they aren't crafting third-rate strawman arguments, then they're just making s**t up. It isn't a matter of disagreeing, but of one side on believing "facts" that simply are not true.

themadpooper Mar 11th 2016 8:02 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Nutmegger (Post 11893049)
History will also note that he had to deal with the most divisive, obdurate group of congresspeople and senators, who cared more about their special interests and preventing the president from getting anything whatsoever accomplished than helping the people they were elected to serve.

What was he doing for the first 2 years of his presidency when the Dems controlled both houses?

Giantaxe Mar 11th 2016 8:04 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11893059)
What was he doing for the first 2 years of his presidency when the Dems controlled both houses?

Wasting his time trying to reach consensus with people who weren't interested. Really, he should have given it six months at most before giving up on Republicans. He didn't have the backbone to do it though.

IIrc the 60th vote in the Senate was Joe Lieberman, who was an independent at that point.

themadpooper Mar 11th 2016 8:06 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11893039)
As I said, trying to build unity with American right wingers is an utter waste of time. It is not possible to negotiate with terrorists.

If Obama cured cancer, the GOP would denounce it as a war on oncology. It makes no sense to take these idiots seriously.

Have you figured out yet that black unemployment has fallen during Obama's presidency, or does this "crazy s**t" persona of yours preclude you from acknowledging that you are utterly wrong about pretty much everything?

I believe my point about black unemployment was average unemployment which hasn't actually fallen, it has gone up but cheers for the personal abuse. How old are you again?

themadpooper Mar 11th 2016 8:07 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11893062)
Wasting his time trying to reach consensus with people who weren't interested. Really, he should have given it six months at most before giving up on Republicans. He didn't have the backbone to do it though.

Correct, no backbone. That's the nicest thing you can say about this president

RoadWarriorFromLP Mar 11th 2016 8:08 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11893062)
Wasting his time trying to reach consensus with people who weren't interested. Really, he should have given it six months at most before giving up on Republicans. He didn't have the backbone to do it though.

I think that his vision for himself and his legacy clashed with reality; he genuinely saw himself as a unifying figure. He ignored the fact that the GOP would seek to destroy him just as they tried to destroy Bill Clinton. They especially did not want Obama to emerge as a sort of FDR-type figure in the wake of crisis -- they remember that their party was almost irrelevant for two decades after Hoover.

Giantaxe Mar 11th 2016 8:09 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11893066)
Correct, no backbone. That's the nicest thing you can say about this president

Certainly true for those two years, imo. Of course, now that he's subsequently found some, you're whining about it.

RoadWarriorFromLP Mar 11th 2016 8:11 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11893065)
I believe my point about black unemployment was average unemployment which hasn't actually fallen, it has gone up but cheers for the personal abuse. How old are you again?

Er, I provided you with a link to BLS data that says the exact opposite.

You are 100% wrong, and you can't even read a simple chart that illustrates the point. "Intelligent conservative" has become an oxymoron.

zargof Mar 11th 2016 8:15 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11893069)
Certainly true for those two years, imo. Of course, now that he's subsequently found some, you're whining about it.

Let's be fair, it wasn't actually two years.

Debunking the Myth: Obama's Two-Year Supermajority

Plus, for the short time Obama had a supermajority, he still had to get consensus from the likes of Bernie Sanders on the left and Joe Lieberman on the right.

Giantaxe Mar 11th 2016 8:20 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11893071)
Let's be fair, it wasn't actually two years.

Debunking the Myth: Obama's Two-Year Supermajority

Interesting info... thanks for posting that.

sir_eccles Mar 11th 2016 8:36 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11893071)
Let's be fair, it wasn't actually two years.

Debunking the Myth: Obama's Two-Year Supermajority

Plus, for the short time Obama had a supermajority, he still had to get consensus from the likes of Bernie Sanders on the left and Joe Lieberman on the right.

Even if he did have a supermajority, the president cannot actually submit a bill to congress. Only a senator or representative can do that.

Giantaxe Mar 11th 2016 8:44 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11893091)
Even if he did have a supermajority, the president cannot actually submit a bill to congress. Only a senator or representative can do that.

True, but effective presidents can carry their Congressional delegation forward to support their agenda. Reagan, for example, was very effective at doing that.

sir_eccles Mar 11th 2016 8:55 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11893093)
True, but effective presidents can carry their Congressional delegation forward to support their agenda. Reagan, for example, was very effective at doing that.

Right, I can't see Trump (or Cruz for that matter) managing those sorts of feats unless they just bully them.

sir_eccles Mar 11th 2016 9:02 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Talking of repeating things until they become the truth. So much faux outrage at Obama not attending Nancy's funeral and sending Michelle instead. When it is fairly solid White House protocol to send the current First Lady to the funeral of a former First Lady and for the President to not attend.

McZaki Mar 11th 2016 12:02 pm

Re: 2016 Election
 
American democracy in full swing! Freedom of speech, eh! :p

Finally, folks coming out in numbers to stop the hatemonger, Drumpf! IMHO, it's better to stop him through the ballot rather than bulldozing his rallies.

Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns
Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns - CNNPolitics.com
Trump rally in Chicago postponed amid growing security concerns http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-chicago-protests/index.html


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