Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11907564)

The party is a private organization. It is free to make its own rules. If you don't like the rules of that party, then find a different one that you prefer.
If Sanders wanted to be a Democrat, then he should have become one.

The point is that he's trying to leverage the benefits of a club to which he does not belong, so it is exceedingly naive at best and astoundingly arrogant at worst for anyone else to demand that everyone who has devoted themselves to that party to roll out the red carpet for Sanders when he spent decades avoiding membership.


As for the math(s), Sanders is already in second place and there aren't enough opportunities left for that to change. The failure to recognize such lousy odds just reinforces the notion that Sanders' diehard supporters have a lot in common with the Tea Party, i.e. a lot of populist enthusiasm but little grasp of the realities of politics or the implications of being a minority faction within a broader political coalition.

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11907670)

Apparatchik fanboy clarification regarding the Might and Rights of the Machine is appreciated by both the "naive" and "arrogant" as well as by those who are maths challenged.

Originally Posted by dc koop (Post 11906942)

Sanders is doing as well as he is because Hillary is such a mediocre candidate

Originally Posted by Curtis86 (Post 11907754)

This is the WORST election I have ever seen

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11907738)

*Math

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11907745)

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The rather giddy notion many Sanders' supporters have, at least on this thread, that he has main stream appeal in his own right and if he just had more of the media behind him and more pertinently, the Dem machine, he'd be in with a genuine shot of the nomination is ridiculous. He's only won as much as he has up to now because of how notoriously weak the Dem field for president has been

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11907555)

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However, a so-called "majority rule" which is dependant upon Super Delegates in order to attain that majority - is un-democratic!

Super Delegate Power is antithetical to people power.
And by people power I simply mean: 1voice = 1 vote = 'majority rule'

As for 'arithmetic issues' - here's some 'arithmetic'......apparently in the '08 election one Super Delegate vote was equivalent to 10,000 voters individual votes. So yeah....with that scenario your "2+2" can equal 22,000.....

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11907773)

ok....update:

Cleveland's Quicken Loan Arena, site of the Democratic Convention this summer, has just (thank god!) turned down the petition to allow open carry of firearms on their premises during the event.

So, whew! Guess we dodged a bullet ;)

But, speaking of the convention site....
Quicken Loan Arena - as in Turbo Tax, as in Intuit...
Intuit as in intuition :o
Democratic Party.....in bed with.....corporate interests....dunno....somethings rotten in the state of.....the State....just stating the obvious (well, at least - to me....).

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11907767)

Let's ignore the 'Superdelegates' for a moment; currently, Sanders has 975 'regular' delegates, and Clinton has 1,243 'regular' delegates. Is there any chance Sanders could possibly overtake Clinton in regular delegates? If he can't beat her with 'regular' delegates, is there any point even discussing the issue of superdelegates?

Originally Posted by themadpooper (Post 11907738)

*Math

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11907789)

Oh...ok....that's interesting. So he's behind, you say, by 268 delegates as of now.

I have absolutely no idea whether he will be able to overtake Clinton - but apparently he believes fervently there is a possibility....which is why the super delegates issue has taken on such relevance.

What I think doesn't really matter - but for what it's worth - I think it's highly unlikely. Unlikely - but, not impossible. What's that assessment based on? His surprising, quite phenomenal gains over the course of this campaign. Gains which looked to be 'impossible' when he began.

And so - if he manages to achieve a miracle - I feel pretty passionately that the miracle should not be abrogated by the super delegates.

But what you're implying makes sense.....concern over super duper delegates may well be a moot matter in the end.

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11907789)

And so - if he manages to achieve a miracle - I feel pretty passionately that the miracle should not be abrogated by the super delegates.

Originally Posted by MMcD (Post 11907773)

Cleveland's Quicken Loan Arena, site of the Republican Convention this summer, has just (thank god!) turned down the petition to allow open carry of firearms on their premises during the event.

So, whew! Guess we dodged a bullet ;)

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11908143)

*Mathematics