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Not what I'm seeing Sanders 15 Clinton 9 in NH

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 — Democratic Delegate Count

I wonder if some places are reporting unpledged delegates in their counts?

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He's talking superdelegates that are already in the bag for Clinton.

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My point remains that Sanders would get crushed in a general election.

McGovern obviously won the Democratic nomination. That didn't make him president. Appealing to a wing of a party is not the same as winning a general election that includes swing voters.

As for Clinton, she isn't a superb candidate, but her performance in NH won't mean anything in a general election.

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If Zargof's point was that a lot of Americans support what Bernie offers in his public statements, the WaPo's article suggests that they do generally support what they hear him promise. That could also be his agenda. So you're probably both right.

The GOP considers itself to be the party of national security and defence and that the other is the party of "free stuff." If the "free stuff" candidate is also a self-declared socialist, so much the better. The other potential "free stuff" candidate has other weaknesses that would be exploited.

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Even against Trump? Trump scares off the right-leaning moderates as much as Sanders does with the left-leaning moderates. Is this where Bloomberg wants to grab votes as an independent should he step in?

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And my point is that Sanders loses because McGovern is bogus. It's far too simplistic.

Also Sanders isn't just appealing to a wing of the party, he's appealing to everyone who thinks the current system is broken. Something has to give, whether it's this election or the next, Sanders view is where this country is going.

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In spite of everything, I doubt that Trump will be the GOP nominee. The establishment might have favored Bush, but they'll settle for Rubio.

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It isn't simplistic to point out that a guy who refers to himself as a socialist will get vilified.

And in any case, Clinton will be the nominee. The question is whether Sanders ends up as VP.

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Interesting take on Sanders win, from his Brit brother, Larry. He also suggests the same thing Zargof was suggesting. He's saying the biggest issue is income inequality and that it resonates with the voters.

Bernie Sanders' British brother likens New Hampshire win to rise of Jeremy Corbyn in UK | US news | The Guardian

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No, but being vilified doesn't automatically mean a loss. Clinton will be vilified as well, that's politics.

Sure Clinton is still more likely, but not the certainty she once was.

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You're really caught up in the first mile of the marathon. Most voters aren't.

Socialism is down there with Islam and atheism on the voter popularity list. Unlike other politicians, Sanders is on record as calling himself a socialist. (Ironically, he isn't actually a socialist if you judge him by the definition of socialism, but that's another matter entirely.)

I realize that you really like Sanders, but you don't reflect anything that is close to the norm in American politics.

As for the Dem primaries to come:

Sanders has yet to demonstrate strength in a state whose electorate isn’t more than 90 percent white. Nevada and South Carolina, the next contests, don’t look anything like Iowa or New Hampshire. Only 65 percent of voters were white in the 2008 Democratic caucus in Nevada, and only 43 percent were in South Carolina.

Polling has indicated that Sanders trails among nonwhite voters by nearly 40 percentage points nationally. Although no reliable recent polling is available in Nevada, Clinton leads by 30 percentage points in both of our South Carolina forecasts. In the latest Marist College poll, she’s buoyed by a 74 percent to 17 percent lead among black voters. Sanders must cut into that margin if he wants to have any chance in South Carolina or anywhere in the South.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...ernie-sanders/

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That's ridiculous, RoadWarrior knows why voters vote the way they do. It hasn't changed since 1972, and it's not going to change now!

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Hilary now hoping that the black and Hispanic vote in So Carolina and the rest of the states will put her back in the lead. Seems that young female voters prefer Bernie which must be a surprise to someone who was so cock sure that she was the all round Dem. women's champ. She probably will come out the winner in the end. Why the heck didn't Biden run or even Harry Reid? Hilary has a way of annoying the hell out of me especially when she starts shouting. It sounds like a rant. Poor old Bill when he gets on the wrong side of her. There's a man on which total deafness would be a blessing

I'm tired of hearing her say I know what it's like to be "knocked down" I don't want to hear her war stories. If she wants to be the first woman President after the first black President she should know that American politics is a rough and tumble game, dog eat dog so she should learn to take the knocks

If I were a Republican I would be hoping that John Kasich starts forging ahead. He seems to be the one with any class to him amongst the lot.

He's the only Republican I would consider giving my vote to

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Now you're attacking a strawman as does Flavius.

The specific issues that define what is too far to one end of the political spectrum varies over time. The point remains that candidates that can do well in a primary by appealing to an extreme can't win the middle when it counts, i.e. on the first Tuesday in November.

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Hey Zargof! Welcome to the Strawman Club!:lol: Admittedly it's not White's, but its something, for which we can thank its steward, RoadWarrior.