Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11891637)

I was only going to check in after the general, but looked in to see the drift of the debate now that it's a 4-man race on the R side and that Bernie took Michigan. If the regulars would avoid using ad hominem attacks I might stop by more often.

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11891637)

By the way, I am not now, nor have I ever been, themadpooper. I gather themadpooper is somewhat right of centre?

Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius (Post 11891637)

I was only going to check in after the general, but looked in to see the drift of the debate now that it's a 4-man race on the R side and that Bernie took Michigan. If the regulars would avoid using ad hominem attacks I might stop by more often.

By the way, I am not now, nor have I ever been, themadpooper. I gather themadpooper is somewhat right of centre?

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11891608)

They pay sales tax etc and drive a lot of the local economy.

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 11891617)

Trump the habitual liar was on full display in his speech in Florida. He had a table of alledged Trump products to respond to Romneys attack on his failures. So let us look. Trump Winery which he said he owns 100% debt free. Except this appears at the bottom of the legal disclaimer. Trump winery is not owned by or affiliated with Donald J. Trump. Interesting...especially since he was using it to defend failed Trump Vodka.

He had what he said were Trump Steaks...which were not but which came from the company he buys steak from for his hotels. Trump steaks no longer exist.

He had Trump water..actually bottled by a non Trump company that he buys branded water from for his hotels and casinos.

He held up what he called Trump magazine but it was an annual magazine for his golf club...Trump magazine has been gone for years.

He is the ballsiest liar ever...about things easily proven false. So the question becomes how stupid do his supporters really have to be to vote for a man from whom such obvious lies flow. Not one thing the arrogant ass says can be trusted.

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11891650)

Is it truly ad hominem? I mean, we freely attack the candidates, but who cares about them? I am struggling to think of a time when a poster has actually been personally attacked, rather than just challenged, albeit in an animated way.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11891668)

The Economist had an investigative piece on Trump's businesses a week or two ago. Their conclusion was that he had done worse than if he'd invested his dad's money in the stockmarket or existing NYC real estate.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11891668)

The Economist had an investigative piece on Trump's businesses a week or two ago. Their conclusion was that he had done worse than if he'd invested his dad's money in the stockmarket or existing NYC real estate.

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11891723)

To be fair to Trump, that's probably not a fair comparison, on a lot of levels. The guy made money and I won't begrudge him that.

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 11891743)

The clown had to be bailed out by the banks back when was developing some properties...half a billion under water...was put on a monthly allowance by the banks and was allowed to continue the projects because the banks thougt they would recover more of their money with completed projects. That is not success. Most of his money is made by selling his name because many of his businesses go bust. Bankrupting Trump Casino 4 times is not success. Bilking people out of money for failed projects he endorsed and put his name to but had nothing to do with..is not success. Being bailed out by the Chinese is not success. He has been ridiculously lucky to have had his ass saved many times.

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11891745)

But it's OK, he's rich. He can get away with. As for us plebs, get behind on your student loans, who is going to bail us out?

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 11891743)

The clown had to be bailed out by the banks back when was developing some properties...half a billion under water...was put on a monthly allowance by the banks and was allowed to continue the projects because the banks thougt they would recover more of their money with completed projects. That is not success. Most of his money is made by selling his name because many of his businesses go bust. Bankrupting Trump Casino 4 times is not success. Bilking people out of money for failed projects he endorsed and put his name to but had nothing to do with..is not success. Being bailed out by the Chinese is not success. He has been ridiculously lucky to have had his ass saved many times.

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 11891764)

I do no not WANT to hate him. I DO hate him. By the way, more violence against peaceful protesters at his recent rallies...with racial slurs added. He has encouraged this kind of behaviour which is now spreading to the streets.

Originally Posted by RoadWarriorFromLP (Post 11891766)

OK, but that has nothing to do with real estate deals and how they work.

Originally Posted by dakota44 (Post 11891773)

Neither do his numerous failures...Trump Air, Vodka, Steaks, Magazine, Mortgage, Travel, University and the list goes on. He is basically a con man to be honest. Also most of the buildings he has his name on...he had nothing to do with the development...just licensed his name.