Come off it - if you go into a big supermarket or a TV shop almost all of them are full HD and 40" or over.

If you did a survey of all TVs sold in the last 12 months I am certain the average would be over 40". You can buy a full HD 46" TV for under £500 which is equivalent to about 9 months of a full Sky subscription!

If you have seen a full HD picture on a 46" TV from a good HD source such as BBC or ITV, watched at the recommended viewing distance of 6ft or less you wouldn't even consider IPTV as an alternative! OK, if we lose access to the current free BBC and ITV satellite transmissions due to the impending changes to the satellites then it may be the only alternative but it will be an inferior product.

Sorry but IPTV, even at the highest ADSL speeds has a long way to go to provide a viable alternative to conventional HDTV satellite systems. It will get there in the end undoubtedly but not until we can get 20+mb/s ADSL connections and even then it is unlikely that there will be a big enough demand for high quality feeds bearing in mind that satellite systems will be the transmission vehicle of choice for a long time to come.

6' recommended viewing distance for a 40" tele, your turn to come off it. I bet any opticians reading this would have something to say about it. That's ridiculously (stupidly) close. "Should have gone to Specsavers". If anyone does sit that close, I'm pretty sure that that's where they'll wind up!!
You didn't answer my question about posting a screen shot showing the quality of the picture. I'm sure it won't be as good as your super duper cinema screen, but it will show people that it's a lot better than "Doom Merchants" are saying.
By the way, you said about the quality of the picture using your laptop. If the processing speed is not fast enough, then of course the picture will suffer.

having problems with Movistar at the moment - telephone works but broadband isnt showing up on the box and thinking of changing
I have heard Telitec http://www.telitec.com/index.htm is quite good

has anyone any good or bad experiences with them ??

You clearly haven't any idea about HDTV. Google HDTV viewing distances and you will see I am right.

You could try this for starters.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Article/Ho...ould-I-Sit.php

You can post a screenshot if you like but it won't prove anything.

As for the processing power of a laptop, that makes no difference to the quality of the screen resolution.

This thread is about Internet speeds and they are not currently high enough to support IPTV in HD.

Hi Domino,
Your problem is with Movistar, they will have to repair any problems that you have. If you change to another supplier, they will have to get Movistar to correct it.
I don't have any knowledge of Telitec apart from their wireless system, where apparently, you have to have line of sight to a mast.
I do use Europa Network and can't speek highly enough of their service (you've probably read my rantings on this thread ), but they will also have to contact Movistar to get it sorted.

John.

Oh I am aware that it is a Telefonica probem and they WILL get it sorted and be hit for a refund for the missed days without service.
they have an English service on 1004 but when BH contacted them said she had to talk direct to the engineers on 1002 - which we know is a Spanish only service. Well tried that, and they transferred the call to 1004 who do the English, who didnt want to take the call, so going round in circles all weekend.
Perhaps thats the problem with multi-nationals that have their call centre in Latin America, even our Spanish friends complain about it and the poor Spanish

thanks

I think you will find that most of us use satellite TV, especially those of us on rural Internet connections of 1mb.

You should look at BBC iPlayer where you have the option of watching some programs in HD. Are they telling Porky Pies? Trades Description Act, and all that.
You seem to have become obsessed with HD picture quality, rather than program content. It's just like the days when HiFi became popular, some enthusiasts (and I was one of them), talked about nothing but the fact that their system was capable of 20+Hertz (outside the range of the human ear) and a fantastic base response. They didn't listen to the music, they listened to their system. If the picture is clear and the program content is good ("Spooks" tonight for instance), that's what most people are interested in. HD is good, but it's not "the be all, and end all" and certainly not a necessity in my life, I'm not that sad!
By the way, the 6' you quote is around the minimum distance suggested for a 40" screen. Toshiba say 5'-0" to 16'5", and RCA say 5'-4" to 15'-1".
Well, I've wasted more than enough time keeping you entertained (that's really sad!!!). I'm off to dinner and a very pleasant evening watching Internet television. Just think no money to fork out on a dish, nothing to pay Mr. Murdock, and no worries about alignment every time the wind blows up a storm, "Yipee".

Yes and I feel for you. One Meg, that's awful. But those who have faster speeds, shouldn't close their eyes to internet TV. They might find, like me, that it's better
I've just had a Rollicking from my saxophone forums for non attendance, be back soon.

John.

It's not full HD - ie. the same as they transmit on terrestrial TV or via satellite. It's better than SD but as you pointed out it is only OK on 6mb/s connections and above. Downloading the content is better in that you don't get the sudden stops in viewing but it takes ages to download - yes I have tried that as well.

As I said, it is an inferior option to what they normally transmit and that is because the available Internet speeds are not capable of transmitting the full signal and that is the main point of this thread.

It's not a subject you could challenge them on as exactly what constitutes "HD" TV is rather vague and there are many inferior options that can still be called HD.

I am not obsessed with picture quality but I expect my TV to deliver what it says on the box which it clearly does when connected to an HD satellite receiver or to the 6 Spanish HD channels that are available via the built in HD receiver - IPTV is just not as good .

You are obviously happy with what iPlayer offers - I am not - lets agree to differ on that. For the time being I will stick to satellite TV or Spanish HDTDT until I can get a 50mb/s connection and the BBC start offering full HD services on iPlayer.

no not really, we are quite happy with our One Meg

If you have a pc\laptop doing the television, which at €400 ++ for either is an expensive way of getting television.
also I wouldnt want to run anything else with it, i.e. using Google for searches or logging into BE.
much better to have a dedicated product for each.

as to HDTV I reserve judgement, I wasn't sure that stereo would take off, and in part I was right as the changed the method of integrating the channels to the system we have now. Also the Hafler "psuedo quad" is just as good as the full blown version to 90% of listeners.

HDTV is awesome. I doubted it for a long time, and then watched it on my daughters 50".

Wasnt long afterwards we got an HD box and the difference between HD and non HD is huge. At the end of the day its what you want out of your TV I guess.

Bless you Dom.

"HD" as you put it, on Television is typically 720P. Full "HD" , say on a BluRay, is 1080i or 1080p [ every scan line not every other [ i ]].

The HD "online" is typically 720 , although some youtube clips are actually going up to 1080 now. So, if you are watching SD or HD from a Catchup Site it will always look poor in comparison to your HD TV Channels, because there is more compression involved, and codec qualities to release the compression to its natural state, again - Natural being how you receive it on your normal HD Channels through the Sat system.

480P, which is normally what a catchup site will play, looks perfectly fine on a HD TV. However, if your HD TV is a higher end of Hz and so forth, you will see a poor picture [ because your TV has way spec than your laptop ].

Bottom line, there is NOTHING wrong with the data flying around in what we are watching, it is just that the TV's are making our Definitions look worse.

IE: Ever watched a DVD on a HD TV, then played the same DVD onto a Tube TV ? I can say for a fact that DVD's were/ARE amazing on my old set, but sadly are now looking BAD because of HD TV's.

Bottom line - Don't bitch about the Online Video Quality, because for the most part it is your TV making it look poor, NOT the file(s) itself.

P.S: I've watched iPLAYER in HD on a 2MB line no problems at all.
P.P.S: HD on television is poor, it is not even 1080i, it is 720, which is iPLAYERS HD option. Should be called LHD; Low HD.

DSB.