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Old Aug 25th 2012, 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by HBG View Post
Around a third of the people in the streets where I live are Spanish businessmen who all come from northern Spain. Many have elderly parents living with them. They all vote Conservative (PP).

I've been to many a party at their houses and after the wine has flowed freely, and they're sure their doors are locked, they play the old music. I call it Franco music, but not to their faces.

As a foreign guest, I politely stand for their toasts, but I have no national vote nor much interest in their politics.
So now you are saying that, in your experience, the Northern Spanish are secret supporters of Franco?
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by HBG View Post
Around a third of the people in the streets where I live are Spanish businessmen who all come from northern Spain. Many have elderly parents living with them. They all vote Conservative (PP).

I've been to many a party at their houses and after the wine has flowed freely, and they're sure their doors are locked, they play the old music. I call it Franco music, but not to their faces.

As a foreign guest, I politely stand for their toasts, but I have no national vote nor much interest in their politics.
Hope it wasn't this one that they were singing in Madrid in Mayo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot0NuvbGAGo
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Pocaloca View Post
The Falangists/JONS got 0.01% of the vote in the last election. That's a pretty good indication of how popular Franquismo is now. Even the Andalusian animal rights party got more votes!
Well yes. Even if some mysterious "northern Businessmen" play some old-fashioned music at a party.
However, it has to be said that the PP know how to attract most of the right-wing vote, with pro-Church, centralised state and anti-liberal policies.

Incidentally, in Navarra earlier this year, my friend (who is a staunch believer in independence for the Basques, including the Navarra province) admitted that although much was made of Basque solidarity, when it came to elections time the local population in Navarra voted overwhelmingly for conservatives (the allies of the PP there).

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Old Aug 25th 2012, 1:55 pm
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt View Post
So now you are saying that, in your experience, the Northern Spanish are secret supporters of Franco?
No.
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by HBG View Post
No.
So what were you saying? I'm confused.
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Originally Posted by HBG View Post
As a foreign guest, I politely stand for their toasts, but I have no national vote nor much interest in their politics.
Quite honestly, some things are not deserving of politeness. I can't imagine my father, who fought against Hitler for six years, standing "politely" for Franco supporters in any way whatsoever.
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 8:25 pm
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Quite honestly, some things are not deserving of politeness. I can't imagine my father, who fought against Hitler for six years, standing "politely" for Franco supporters in any way whatsoever.
I understand what you're saying, but I belong to a different generation and live in Spain. And, politely, your father didn't fight against Franco, Spain was neutral in WW2.

It's an emotive topic, I realise that, but I only posted my experience as a long term resident in Spain, and to deny that many people in Spain still regard Franco as a hero for Spain would be to deny the truth.

I don't know where you live, I suspect it's in the US, and good luck to you, but I wouldn't stand for the KKK celebrating the hanging of black people either.
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 9:21 pm
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Originally Posted by HBG View Post
I understand what you're saying, but I belong to a different generation and live in Spain. And, politely, your father didn't fight against Franco, Spain was neutral in WW2.

It's an emotive topic, I realise that, but I only posted my experience as a long term resident in Spain, and to deny that many people in Spain still regard Franco as a hero for Spain would be to deny the truth.

I don't know where you live, I suspect it's in the US, and good luck to you, but I wouldn't stand for the KKK celebrating the hanging of black people either.
Somehow, the generation difference doesn't matter to me. Hitler and Franco were what they were, and to salute them now, or tolerate others who do, still seems to me to be an impossible thing. Fascist values are fascist values, and even if the object of these people's adoration is dead, they and their values are not. If there are still fascists in Spain - well I'm not a bit surprised, but luckily there are many who are not.

As for Spain's neutrality - as a nation they didn't fight during WWII, but they certainly let Hitler practice there as a warm up in support of Franco's forces. My father didn't go to fight, but many from the UK did - "they went because their open eyes could see no other way".

And you are right about the KKK. I wouldn't be polite to them either.
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Originally Posted by jackytoo View Post
Franco really was a hero to a lot of the older generation. Attitudes changed as he aged and the new order came in bringing strikes, pornography for sale. Youth getting more freedom etc. Earlier this year there was a large tribute to Franco in a Madrid square (mainly elderly people) they sang the falange hymn and had lots of speeches. It is wishful thinking that he didn't have a lot of support.
Talking about the new order, this is an old story that was doing the rounds on Spanish forums some time ago. Out with old, in with the new?
http://elcomodincharlieslack.blogspo...va-franco.html
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 10:33 pm
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt View Post
So what were you saying? I'm confused.
I hesitate on elaborating on my No answer. On a non-serious note, you seem to fly off the handle far too easily. I jokingly posted that you should be banned, and you kicked off with a load of nonsense for no reason.

Of course you shouldn't be banned, if you were even half a gentleman, instead of just a groom, you would fall on your sword, like the person whose horse you are grooming would.

Now, before you kick off again, I'm only joking.

I remember you posting in reply to a Spaniard when you said, 'Shut up you silly xxxx'. It had me in stitches.

But, should you decide to fall on your sword, you'll be sorely missed. Just like toothache.
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 10:45 pm
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Originally Posted by HBG View Post
I hesitate on elaborating on my No answer. On a non-serious note, you seem to fly off the handle far too easily. I jokingly posted that you should be banned, and you kicked off with a load of nonsense for no reason.

Of course you shouldn't be banned, if you were even half a gentleman, instead of just a groom, you would fall on your sword, like the person whose horse you are grooming would.

Now, before you kick off again, I'm only joking.

I remember you posting in reply to a Spaniard when you said, 'Shut up you silly xxxx'. It had me in stitches.

But, should you decide to fall on your sword, you'll be sorely missed. Just like toothache.
OK, firstly, what has ANY of this got to do with the thread? I mean I know its probably "after the pub posting" but seriously, could you not find another thread to post in?

I know you think you are adorable and I will admit, sometimes I have smiled at some of you off the wall posts but I'm afraid I lost all respect for you, oh and there are MANY on here I respect, I might not agree with them but I do respect them, and I lost all respect for you when you not only posted a highly offensive comment (you and I both know what I am talking about) but you also haven't offered even the smallest of apologies, even in private, which would always have remained private. Now what was that you said about being a gentleman?

Secondly.... I groom for no one now, I couldn't stand the toffs.
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could this be the future ?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/340008/340008

perhaps we should ship them off to other parts of the EU or is that what Spain is worrying about ?
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Old Aug 31st 2012, 1:34 pm
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Turns out Abu Hamza doesn't need British Handouts after all.....

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/ab...lers_1_1499892
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This has been an entertaining thread to read. Having just come across it and read it all in one go my observation for what its worth is:

1) There will probably be an increase in tourists to Spain from Muslim countries in the future.
2) Providing halal food in your restaurant could therefore be a good business opportunity.
3) Lots of people on this thread (myself included) know of muslims who drink alcohol and eat pork.
4) However, no-one on this thread knows enough (any) orthodox, practicing muslims living in muslim countries who might come on holiday to Spain, to ask if they would be prepared to eat alongside non-muslims eating pork or other prohibited food and drinking alcohol.
5) It is therefore impossible to give a definitive answer to the question.

Personally I don't go to restaurants that serve lots of different types of food. I like my chinese in a chinese, italian in an italian etc. etc. I suspect orthodox muslims would hope to find restaurants that cater for their tastes only (and probably run by muslim expats). The problem with such a business would be finding customers outside the tourist season. They would need to attract locals to stay open all year round. I think it could be a hugh risk to just add halal food to an existing menu.
As someone said earlier a lot of proper market research required.
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I wouldn't buy halal meat knowingly. That's why I never buy from British supermarkets as they have admitted that most of their meat is killed that way now (nothing like pleasing the minority) I buy from a local Butcher who is a bit more expensive but top class for quality.

I have extended Jewish family, many of them not religious but AFAIK none of them eat pork. I think it is probably like the aversion the British have to horsemeat as they are not strict re. kosher food. I think the Muslims are quite well catered for in most countries....if you have money they will cater for what you want.
Bumping my own post. Did we have a premonition when we discussed would Muslims patronise a place that sold pork or booze. I now think they wouldn't want to be in a place with a lot of pork around. Just had another though re. above when I said about the British aversion to horsemeat. No way would I eat in a place that had horsemeat on the menu and not even for religious reasons, so I guess Muslims would stay away Look at all the shock horror around now pork DNA has been found in prison patties.
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