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Old Aug 24th 2012, 7:43 pm
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Don't laugh, I think he's serious.
I am.
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Old Aug 24th 2012, 7:58 pm
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I am.
Frightening eh?
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I am.
Tell it to this man.



For example.
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I am.
You dont know too much about Spanish history then, I assume
The roadside graves, the families turned against other, the general murder and mayhem??? Truly a real Spanish hero

I've never met any Spaniard here in 6 years or so who regards him as such and indeed the mention of his name can illicit a look of anger
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Old Aug 24th 2012, 9:06 pm
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I don't know, who knows the future? It might make sense for everyone to just to post a load of smilies. It wouldn't upset anyone, we would all be happy, perfect.
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Originally Posted by HBG View Post
I don't know, who knows the future? It might make sense for everyone to just to post a load of smilies. It wouldn't upset anyone, we would all be happy, perfect.
It might make more sense if you could explain to us all just how Franco is a Spanish hero in your opinion, I'd love to know Ooops, sorry another smiley
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Old Aug 24th 2012, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy View Post
You dont know too much about Spanish history then, I assume
The roadside graves, the families turned against other, the general murder and mayhem??? Truly a real Spanish hero

I've never met any Spaniard here in 6 years or so who regards him as such and indeed the mention of his name can illicit a look of anger
Sorry, I posted before seeing your reply.

My experience is rather different to yours. We're both living in a part of Spain that fought against Franco, and lost.

I need to be blunt or it wouldn't make sense. The rest of Spain supported a popular leader, supported by the elite of Spanish society, not the half French part to the north, or the inbred Camposinos everywhere else.

The top of Spanish society still raise their glass to Vivo Franco. and he's been dead for 35 years.
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Old Aug 24th 2012, 9:54 pm
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Franco really was a hero to a lot of the older generation. Attitudes changed as he aged and the new order came in bringing strikes, pornography for sale. Youth getting more freedom etc. Earlier this year there was a large tribute to Franco in a Madrid square (mainly elderly people) they sang the falange hymn and had lots of speeches. It is wishful thinking that he didn't have a lot of support.
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Sorry, I posted before seeing your reply.

My experience is rather different to yours. We're both living in a part of Spain that fought against Franco, and lost.

I need to be blunt or it wouldn't make sense. The rest of Spain supported a popular leader, supported by the elite of Spanish society, not the half French part to the north, or the inbred Camposinos everywhere else.

The top of Spanish society still raise their glass to Vivo Franco. and he's been dead for 35 years.
Jesus Christ it's worse than I thought in here.
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I think what we have here is a failure to clarify terms.

There is a difference between "some people hero-worship Franco" and "Franco was a hero".

There are still fascist sympathizers across Europe and some very right-wing little political parties. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find Franco supporters alive and well in Spain who hero-worship the murdering bastard.

This, however, is quite different from Franco actually being a hero, someone to look up to, respect and admire. An idea which is obviously as absurd as it is repugnant.
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 6:13 am
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I wish this link came from another source, but at least it's current (only a few hours old).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-strike.html

Welcome to the future indeed.
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 7:48 am
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Default Re: Welcome to the future.

Originally Posted by Sally Redux View Post
Jesus Christ it's worse than I thought in here.

Great innit?

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
I think what we have here is a failure to clarify terms.

There is a difference between "some people hero-worship Franco" and "Franco was a hero".

There are still fascist sympathizers across Europe and some very right-wing little political parties. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find Franco supporters alive and well in Spain who hero-worship the murdering bastard.

This, however, is quite different from Franco actually being a hero, someone to look up to, respect and admire. An idea which is obviously as absurd as it is repugnant.
Exactomundo! I'm sure there are thousands in Germany who harken back to the days when Hitler brought Whiteness and purity to Europe but to assume he was a hero would be a stretch even for this lot, still the person in question has been known to bring up Hitlers policies as an answer to what ails you!
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 8:30 am
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I thought that's what we were saying, that some Spaniards regard him as a hero However loathsome Franco was he did have a lot of support, although you won't hear many admitting it now.

There was also a lot of people who were apolitical, all they wanted was to get on with their lives. Villagers mainly followed the line of the local Mayor, landowners etc. I remember an old relative talking about the fall of valencia. She left on foot with her 4 yr old son who was ill with measles and had no option but to trample over the dead bodies. She said all they wanted was peace no matter who governed.
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The Falangists/JONS got 0.01% of the vote in the last election. That's a pretty good indication of how popular Franquismo is now. Even the Andalusian animal rights party got more votes!
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Old Aug 25th 2012, 10:09 am
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Around a third of the people in the streets where I live are Spanish businessmen who all come from northern Spain. Many have elderly parents living with them. They all vote Conservative (PP).

I've been to many a party at their houses and after the wine has flowed freely, and they're sure their doors are locked, they play the old music. I call it Franco music, but not to their faces.

As a foreign guest, I politely stand for their toasts, but I have no national vote nor much interest in their politics.
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