Goodbye Sky TV
Feb 5th 2013 | 5:11 am
#121
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Hi Mike
Bl***y-hell! Question answered
Watching TV is going to be very expensive when the satellites goes down, and I am pretty sure they will. There will be all sorts of ideas coming up for a replacement, but I can see no practical way that we can do that without an internet connection.
Rough calculation SD is better as you use less bits and say 600KB/s
To use 15GB that's about 67 hours TV a month a couple of hours a day. Err I think the back of the envelope was full!
Would also be 67 Euros/month. Just for TV. Add more for the normal internet usage. If you want more TV/internet I suppose one could get another dongle. Divide that by the time you are not there and you can see whether its better to go for an unlimited package. But that will be expensive. It bugs me to pay for unlimited usage monthly when I am not there. But this is no fault of TMN their package has always been the best for me that I've seen in Europe. I never envisioned watching TV on the internet when I bought the dongle a few years back
This satellite change has really involved huge cost increases, for non-permanent residents that dont have unlimited down/upload
I hope that TMN havent got or introduced the technology to actually do this. They (for example) reduced to 3 months the reload time, from 6, to keep old balances active. However it didnt zero for me previously when I came back later than that. So I will wait for the sats to drop off and test it in 'real life' and solve the problem if/when it arises.
What a drag!
BTW I went the slingbox route as opposed to remote desktop as it was far more elegant and the box is small and can be hidden away....
Thanks
Jon
Bl***y-hell! Question answered
Watching TV is going to be very expensive when the satellites goes down, and I am pretty sure they will. There will be all sorts of ideas coming up for a replacement, but I can see no practical way that we can do that without an internet connection.
Rough calculation SD is better as you use less bits and say 600KB/s
To use 15GB that's about 67 hours TV a month a couple of hours a day. Err I think the back of the envelope was full!
Would also be 67 Euros/month. Just for TV. Add more for the normal internet usage. If you want more TV/internet I suppose one could get another dongle. Divide that by the time you are not there and you can see whether its better to go for an unlimited package. But that will be expensive. It bugs me to pay for unlimited usage monthly when I am not there. But this is no fault of TMN their package has always been the best for me that I've seen in Europe. I never envisioned watching TV on the internet when I bought the dongle a few years back
This satellite change has really involved huge cost increases, for non-permanent residents that dont have unlimited down/upload
I hope that TMN havent got or introduced the technology to actually do this. They (for example) reduced to 3 months the reload time, from 6, to keep old balances active. However it didnt zero for me previously when I came back later than that. So I will wait for the sats to drop off and test it in 'real life' and solve the problem if/when it arises.
What a drag!
BTW I went the slingbox route as opposed to remote desktop as it was far more elegant and the box is small and can be hidden away....
Thanks
Jon
The other attraction is if services like filmon or VPN style connect ions could be pulled at any time, I think sling box would continue without interference. Just my opinion.
Last edited by cleverdic; Feb 5th 2013 at 5:13 am.
Feb 5th 2013 | 6:39 am
#122
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Hi Mike
Bl***y-hell! Question answered
Watching TV is going to be very expensive when the satellites goes down, and I am pretty sure they will. There will be all sorts of ideas coming up for a replacement, but I can see no practical way that we can do that without an internet connection.
Rough calculation SD is better as you use less bits and say 600KB/s
To use 15GB that's about 67 hours TV a month a couple of hours a day. Err I think the back of the envelope was full!
Would also be 67 Euros/month. Just for TV. Add more for the normal internet usage. If you want more TV/internet I suppose one could get another dongle. Divide that by the time you are not there and you can see whether its better to go for an unlimited package. But that will be expensive. It bugs me to pay for unlimited usage monthly when I am not there. But this is no fault of TMN their package has always been the best for me that I've seen in Europe. I never envisioned watching TV on the internet when I bought the dongle a few years back
This satellite change has really involved huge cost increases, for non-permanent residents that dont have unlimited down/upload
I hope that TMN havent got or introduced the technology to actually do this. They (for example) reduced to 3 months the reload time, from 6, to keep old balances active. However it didnt zero for me previously when I came back later than that. So I will wait for the sats to drop off and test it in 'real life' and solve the problem if/when it arises.
What a drag!
BTW I went the slingbox route as opposed to remote desktop as it was far more elegant and the box is small and can be hidden away....
Thanks
Jon
Bl***y-hell! Question answered
Watching TV is going to be very expensive when the satellites goes down, and I am pretty sure they will. There will be all sorts of ideas coming up for a replacement, but I can see no practical way that we can do that without an internet connection.
Rough calculation SD is better as you use less bits and say 600KB/s
To use 15GB that's about 67 hours TV a month a couple of hours a day. Err I think the back of the envelope was full!
Would also be 67 Euros/month. Just for TV. Add more for the normal internet usage. If you want more TV/internet I suppose one could get another dongle. Divide that by the time you are not there and you can see whether its better to go for an unlimited package. But that will be expensive. It bugs me to pay for unlimited usage monthly when I am not there. But this is no fault of TMN their package has always been the best for me that I've seen in Europe. I never envisioned watching TV on the internet when I bought the dongle a few years back
This satellite change has really involved huge cost increases, for non-permanent residents that dont have unlimited down/upload
I hope that TMN havent got or introduced the technology to actually do this. They (for example) reduced to 3 months the reload time, from 6, to keep old balances active. However it didnt zero for me previously when I came back later than that. So I will wait for the sats to drop off and test it in 'real life' and solve the problem if/when it arises.
What a drag!
BTW I went the slingbox route as opposed to remote desktop as it was far more elegant and the box is small and can be hidden away....
Thanks
Jon
Feb 5th 2013 | 8:29 am
#123
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
All very interesting. This is one of the options I am seriously considering when the satellite signal disappears later this year. However I would choose the sling box pro version since it has an integrated freeview tuner and so all I need is one box up and running in the UK connected to the aerial, broadband and the leccy.
The other attraction is if services like filmon or VPN style connect ions could be pulled at any time, I think sling box would continue without interference. Just my opinion.
The other attraction is if services like filmon or VPN style connect ions could be pulled at any time, I think sling box would continue without interference. Just my opinion.
I doubt if the PRO would pick up signals in Brussels (not sure) otherwise that would also work for me. Giving me UKTV and also Belgian TV.
Any idea who to ask to see if Freeview extends that far?
Jon
Feb 6th 2013 | 9:06 pm
#124
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
All very interesting. This is one of the options I am seriously considering when the satellite signal disappears later this year. However I would choose the sling box pro version since it has an integrated freeview tuner and so all I need is one box up and running in the UK connected to the aerial, broadband and the leccy.
The other attraction is if services like filmon or VPN style connect ions could be pulled at any time, I think sling box would continue without interference. Just my opinion.
The other attraction is if services like filmon or VPN style connect ions could be pulled at any time, I think sling box would continue without interference. Just my opinion.
Also as you can switch on and off the box remotely as well, this would be ideal.
I guess I could take my Humax box I bought last year, and wont be any use shortly in Spain (grrrrr!!).. then put up a sattelite dish here in Belgium. I am sure the FREESAT footprint would 'spill over' to Brussels (perhaps not the Freeview) and then have a dual system where I use either my UK box to watch or the Belgian box, or both ... each one on the couch 'potatoing' together!!
But WHAT a drag and expense for me..... in my situation. For UK based Brits its easier, and if you don't have a home there, perhaps a friend would put a Humax box in his house for you tucked away somewhere for you to use.... or the proHD with its integrated Freeview if you haven't already got the Humax.
Again a HUGE drag! I think its too late for a massed expat petition campaign on the TV companies, as the millions have already been spent for the new satellites.....
Jon
Feb 6th 2013 | 9:21 pm
#125
Joined: Jun 2011
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From: In the middle of 10million Olive Trees
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Hi was thinking about this. With the pro-hd - you wouldnt need the other services you have it all in a clean + direct stream from home to abroad. I personally would not use the filmon or VPN etc once the box is in place. Less bouncing around of the data and also less corruption with heaven knows what e.g cookies, pop ups, viruses etc etc.....
Also as you can switch on and off the box remotely as well, this would be ideal.
I guess I could take my Humax box I bought last year, and wont be any use shortly in Spain (grrrrr!!).. then put up a sattelite dish here in Belgium. I am sure the FREESAT footprint would 'spill over' to Brussels (perhaps not the Freeview) and then have a dual system where I use either my UK box to watch or the Belgian box, or both ... each one on the couch 'potatoing' together!!
But WHAT a drag and expense for me..... in my situation. For UK based Brits its easier, and if you don't have a home there, perhaps a friend would put a Humax box in his house for you tucked away somewhere for you to use.... or the proHD with its integrated Freeview if you haven't already got the Humax.
Again a HUGE drag! I think its too late for a massed expat petition campaign on the TV companies, as the millions have already been spent for the new satellites.....
Jon
Also as you can switch on and off the box remotely as well, this would be ideal.
I guess I could take my Humax box I bought last year, and wont be any use shortly in Spain (grrrrr!!).. then put up a sattelite dish here in Belgium. I am sure the FREESAT footprint would 'spill over' to Brussels (perhaps not the Freeview) and then have a dual system where I use either my UK box to watch or the Belgian box, or both ... each one on the couch 'potatoing' together!!
But WHAT a drag and expense for me..... in my situation. For UK based Brits its easier, and if you don't have a home there, perhaps a friend would put a Humax box in his house for you tucked away somewhere for you to use.... or the proHD with its integrated Freeview if you haven't already got the Humax.
Again a HUGE drag! I think its too late for a massed expat petition campaign on the TV companies, as the millions have already been spent for the new satellites.....
Jon
the latter could probably be altered relatively easy and fractional cost especially as it could be a small tweak
the problem is the broadcasters are endeavouring to reduce the footprint to certain areas to ensure that they don't end up with the situation Sky had with a woman in London taking football for free from Greece.
The BBC have said quite emphatically they are only wishing to service their UK audience, although there will be some spillover into other countries.
To my mind a large amount of money being spent to bring satellite to a very small number of people that are already serviced by terrestial.
Sky is different as they have different packages for different countries/regions and their output is satellite driven, although it will prove interesting once Liberty Global acquisition of Virgin Media is completed.
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Feb 6th 2013 | 9:40 pm
#126
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
its not the cost of the satellite its a) its location b) the transmitted footprint
the latter could probably be altered relatively easy and fractional cost especially as it could be a small tweak
the problem is the broadcasters are endeavouring to reduce the footprint to certain areas to ensure that they don't end up with the situation Sky had with a woman in London taking football for free from Greece.
The BBC have said quite emphatically they are only wishing to service their UK audience, although there will be some spillover into other countries.
To my mind a large amount of money being spent to bring satellite to a very small number of people that are already serviced by terrestial.
Sky is different as they have different packages for different countries/regions and their output is satellite driven, although it will prove interesting once Liberty Global acquisition of Virgin Media is completed.
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the latter could probably be altered relatively easy and fractional cost especially as it could be a small tweak
the problem is the broadcasters are endeavouring to reduce the footprint to certain areas to ensure that they don't end up with the situation Sky had with a woman in London taking football for free from Greece.
The BBC have said quite emphatically they are only wishing to service their UK audience, although there will be some spillover into other countries.
To my mind a large amount of money being spent to bring satellite to a very small number of people that are already serviced by terrestial.
Sky is different as they have different packages for different countries/regions and their output is satellite driven, although it will prove interesting once Liberty Global acquisition of Virgin Media is completed.
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If there a way to implement the increased footprint at a charge - I think a lot of Expats would pay for it, but I don't know how it could be implemented. Without some piracy.
I'd pay eg a tenner a month immediately if I knew I could continue with the Freesat service and continue to use my Humax box. I'd pay monthly even for the times I am not there.
I bet a lot of expates all over the place would as well - and there might be a financial argument if there is a way to control it simply and the footprint can actually be broadened easily as you say.
But just dreaming - wont happen!
Interesting: I didn't know that SKY have a solution. Do you know if this 1) includes all the Freesat stations and 2) what it costs and 3) if one can use the Humax box (it has a card reader)??? Please.
Even if not Humax - will Sky register with someone living abroad? For some reason I thought you had to have a UK address and UK phone line (but Ive been away from the UK for a LONG time)
I might even get a Sky box in that case and say goodbye to Humax....
Dare I start to get excited???
Thanks
Jon
Last edited by Jon-Bxl; Feb 6th 2013 at 9:42 pm.
Feb 7th 2013 | 12:11 am
#127
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From: Ayamonte
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
How about this for an option, lets all sit outside during the warm Summer evenings and read a book, play cards or chat and in the Winter evenings have bowling comps etc with friends on your Wii or watch a DVD. You can keep up with the news on your PC and if you can't wean yourself off soaps use Filmon. Alternatively watch Spanish TV and learn the language. Regards Bryony
Feb 7th 2013 | 12:51 am
#128
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Hi
Has anyone spoken to any of the myriad of Satellite companies who are set to lose their business if the situation progresses as being projected?
I would of thought they are keen to find a solution.
Bye
Laslopeady
Has anyone spoken to any of the myriad of Satellite companies who are set to lose their business if the situation progresses as being projected?
I would of thought they are keen to find a solution.
Bye
Laslopeady
Feb 7th 2013 | 4:47 am
#129
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From: Playa del ingles...Gran Canaria..
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
This is what i use now that i have no Sky TV.. its internet TV €30 a month or €1 a day..
Feb 7th 2013 | 5:14 am
#130
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From: Granada Costa
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
€30 a month when you can use Filmon or BBC or ITV iPlayer free!
There are loads of companies trying to cash in on the situation offering essentially the same solution. Many of them are offering it free to get you to sign up for their ADSL service.
There is no way I am going to pay them for something you can get for free!
There are loads of companies trying to cash in on the situation offering essentially the same solution. Many of them are offering it free to get you to sign up for their ADSL service.
There is no way I am going to pay them for something you can get for free!
Last edited by Fred James; Feb 7th 2013 at 5:17 am.
Feb 7th 2013 | 5:19 am
#131
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
How about this for an option, lets all sit outside during the warm Summer evenings and read a book, play cards or chat and in the Winter evenings have bowling comps etc with friends on your Wii or watch a DVD. You can keep up with the news on your PC and if you can't wean yourself off soaps use Filmon. Alternatively watch Spanish TV and learn the language. Regards Bryony
)I'll learn Spanish once I have mastered French - then I'll have 3 languages! But don't hold your breath.
I still have a need for UK (and Belgian TV) and internet charging as mentioned above could be very prohibitive... when the satellites go down, unless one has already unlimited internet (as mentioned several times above). You mentioned Filmon which is great - and I thanked you for that - but the discussion has moved on.
Hoping for a simple solution - but that looks difficult. Am keen to understand more about Sky's packages for international use as mentioned above.
Jon
Feb 7th 2013 | 5:24 am
#132
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From: Granada Costa
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Jon, I don't know what you are worrying about. Where you are going, Javea, there are no reception problems - in fact the situation has improved dramatically.
It's us people down in SW Spain that are going to have the problem.
It's us people down in SW Spain that are going to have the problem.
Feb 7th 2013 | 5:58 am
#133
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Somewhere there is a miscommunication....
We have a place in Ayamonte... however there is a good chance that we will (all) lose satellite reception in the next few months. As per original post.
So the alternative can only be IMHO an internet connection to receive TV, and that is expensive if you don't have unlimited internet already. I do PAYG for mine and it is a fantastic service, but I never envisioned that I would use it for the free TV I have today via freesat and my humax box....
Cheers
Jon
Feb 7th 2013 | 6:19 am
#134
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From: Granada Costa
Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Sorry my mistake - confusing you with another poster
I will have the same problem but I do have an unlimited ADSL connection
I also have 3tb of previously recorded unwatched programs from my Humax to get me through the cold winter nights!
I will have the same problem but I do have an unlimited ADSL connection
I also have 3tb of previously recorded unwatched programs from my Humax to get me through the cold winter nights!
Last edited by Fred James; Feb 7th 2013 at 6:21 am.
Feb 7th 2013 | 6:29 am
#135
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Actually, I'm with Briony, and wonder what all the fuss is about. When in Spain ...
