Goodbye Sky TV
Feb 13th 2013 | 5:24 am
#166
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Many Sky pay channels will still be available to expats- like they have been for many years - as they will be on "european" beams that cover europe -as opposed to the UK beam that is harder to receive that will be carrying the main uk channels (BBC ITV C4 and fives). So there will be many "Sky" channels available, even if the "free to air" channels are not.
After all this satellite shuffle there will be 4 satellites, with about 10 beams, each beam having its own footprint and reception, and with each beam carrying a range of channels.
There are UK and Pan European beams, the latter being more "expat friendly" than the former - so not all signals / chanenls will be lost.
Sky will not offer BBC ITV C4s and Fives as part of their package - these broadcasters want to be free to air (BBC is by law / part of the license fee / trust rules) as it saves them from being encrpyted (saving money) and able to reach more people in the uk, good for advertisers.
If Sky were to offer a package, then
a) they would have to get all those chanensl to have "euoepan rights" for all their programming..whch like i said before the costs would probably outweight the benefits.
b) you would have to use a Sky box, or a box that is capable of reading the sky encryption. Currently "out of the box" humax boxes do not have this - as they are desgined for free to air / non encrypted channels.... perhaps some bright spark has been able to come up with some software, but I have not seen any....
After all this satellite shuffle there will be 4 satellites, with about 10 beams, each beam having its own footprint and reception, and with each beam carrying a range of channels.
There are UK and Pan European beams, the latter being more "expat friendly" than the former - so not all signals / chanenls will be lost.
Sky will not offer BBC ITV C4s and Fives as part of their package - these broadcasters want to be free to air (BBC is by law / part of the license fee / trust rules) as it saves them from being encrpyted (saving money) and able to reach more people in the uk, good for advertisers.
If Sky were to offer a package, then
a) they would have to get all those chanensl to have "euoepan rights" for all their programming..whch like i said before the costs would probably outweight the benefits.
b) you would have to use a Sky box, or a box that is capable of reading the sky encryption. Currently "out of the box" humax boxes do not have this - as they are desgined for free to air / non encrypted channels.... perhaps some bright spark has been able to come up with some software, but I have not seen any....
Its as I thought - in reality it wont work. Id want the BBC, ITV etc above
So its back to internet TV reception as we thought in practicality....
Thanks
Jon
Feb 19th 2013 | 7:30 am
#167
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
This might be a daft question but is this satellite problem peculiar just to the Ayamonte area or is it all Spain? I'm hoping to move to a house in another part of Spain and it already has a dish so are we saying that dish will be useless? Don't think it's 2m wide...
Feb 19th 2013 | 7:55 am
#168
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
SAUSAGES THIS IS A dAFT QUESTION
Feb 19th 2013 | 3:03 pm
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
It was Bill and Claire that started this thread, and the question/answer was already well-covered in the thread.. To recap...
This year, sometime, the satellite 'footprint' will be restricted to the UK. The only feasible solution, then, that I can see is TV delivery via an internet connection, with one of the various solutions proposed in this thread. That means eg SKY and Freesat will die for expats.
If you don't already have a reasonable broadband connection, unlimited - you might find that this will cost a lot of extra money: If you want to watch UKTV, that is (many of us do). To ascertain what the cost would be depends on your monthly viewing times on line - and also the type of package you have for internet - and if you want to watch SD or HD TV (or what combination of all this).
Jon
Last edited by Jon-Bxl; Feb 19th 2013 at 3:10 pm.
Feb 19th 2013 | 5:50 pm
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Just for a laugh: Speaking of 'Breakfast' and 'sausages' and also taking into account the recent topical discussions on horsemeat in food.... I have to say I am less worried about horsemeat sausages... now that I have seen the attached!!! 
Now back to ............ 
Jon
Now back to ............ Jon
Feb 19th 2013 | 6:30 pm
#174
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Reception elsewhere in Europe will be different...we have already seen that areas in France and Germany where 80cm dish was fine before, and not it is not getting channels that are on the new satellite.
YEs in some areas the reception off channels has improved after they have moved to the first of three new satellites. On the east coast (Costa Blanca / Valencia), channels that were not available 24/7 even on a 2.4m dish can not be received on 1m dish - looks like a "hotspot" for this satellite.. BUt then, somewhat paradoxically, in the Catalunia / Barcelona area, an 80cmdish is no longer good for this new satellite and a 1.8m dish is required - its like this area is a "blackspot" fore the uk beam of this new satellite.
IN CDS and Portugal, channels that could be received on 1.25m dishes (like Channel Five 4HD) now need a much larger dish to receivce them.
Although there is no saying what reception will be like for satellite number two (Astra 2E), scheduled for launch mid 2013. It is possible that reception of satellite 2E is different to the first new satellites, 2F. Until it has been launched, tested, positioned, and channels are being transmitted, no-one will know what its reception wil be like or what sized dish you will be needing. Anyone who says anything different is speculating.
Feb 19th 2013 | 6:57 pm
#175
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
The change in satellites will affect everywhere - although in the UK it will be unnoticable.
Reception elsewhere in Europe will be different...we have already seen that areas in France and Germany where 80cm dish was fine before, and not it is not getting channels that are on the new satellite.
YEs in some areas the reception off channels has improved after they have moved to the first of three new satellites. On the east coast (Costa Blanca / Valencia), channels that were not available 24/7 even on a 2.4m dish can now be received on 1m dish - looks like a "hotspot" for this satellite.. BUt then, somewhat paradoxically, in the Catalunia / Barcelona area, an 80cmdish is no longer good for this new satellite and a 1.8m dish is required - its like this area is a "blackspot" fore the uk beam of this new satellite.
IN CDS and Portugal, channels that could be received on 1.25m dishes (like Channel Five 4HD) now need a much larger dish to receivce them.
Although there is no saying what reception will be like for satellite number two (Astra 2E), scheduled for launch mid 2013. It is possible that reception of satellite 2E is different to the first new satellites, 2F. Until it has been launched, tested, positioned, and channels are being transmitted, no-one will know what its reception wil be like or what sized dish you will be needing. Anyone who says anything different is speculating.
Reception elsewhere in Europe will be different...we have already seen that areas in France and Germany where 80cm dish was fine before, and not it is not getting channels that are on the new satellite.
YEs in some areas the reception off channels has improved after they have moved to the first of three new satellites. On the east coast (Costa Blanca / Valencia), channels that were not available 24/7 even on a 2.4m dish can now be received on 1m dish - looks like a "hotspot" for this satellite.. BUt then, somewhat paradoxically, in the Catalunia / Barcelona area, an 80cmdish is no longer good for this new satellite and a 1.8m dish is required - its like this area is a "blackspot" fore the uk beam of this new satellite.
IN CDS and Portugal, channels that could be received on 1.25m dishes (like Channel Five 4HD) now need a much larger dish to receivce them.
Although there is no saying what reception will be like for satellite number two (Astra 2E), scheduled for launch mid 2013. It is possible that reception of satellite 2E is different to the first new satellites, 2F. Until it has been launched, tested, positioned, and channels are being transmitted, no-one will know what its reception wil be like or what sized dish you will be needing. Anyone who says anything different is speculating.
Feb 19th 2013 | 8:22 pm
#176
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
Here we have received the full SKY setup since we have been here. Many years ago it used to go off on certain channels at certain times of the day. Now, we lose no channels at any time of the day plus we have HD. Its just like UK reception. I have a 1.8 m dish
Feb 19th 2013 | 9:15 pm
#177
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
For the last three years we have been like you lucky enough to get all channels with a 1.35 x 1.28 offset dish. Then they moved 4HD & 5' s to the new Sat spot beam and they have gone. The SKY channels that have moved to the same Sat on the pan European beam are fine better if anything better than before. However a real rainstorm does cause pixelation and Noah's flood causes us to lose reception for a short time.
Feb 20th 2013 | 6:18 am
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
2E will have much the same footprint.
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Loco
Feb 20th 2013 | 7:00 am
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
See http://www.satellite-calculations.co..._footprint.jpg
2E will have much the same footprint.
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Loco
2E will have much the same footprint.
Best
Loco
Feb 20th 2013 | 8:14 am
#180
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Re: Goodbye Sky TV
See http://www.satellite-calculations.co..._footprint.jpg
2E will have much the same footprint.
Best
Loco
2E will have much the same footprint.
Best
Loco
