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Old Jan 25th 2013 | 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
I've got an eleven meter dish just up the hill from me.

But I believe some of the satellites might wander of track if I borrow it
Ha ha why dont you run a cable up to it..
 
Old Jan 25th 2013 | 7:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
I've got an eleven meter dish just up the hill from me.

But I believe some of the satellites might wander of track if I borrow it
Is that one of the pretty ones covered in a " Raydome " ?
 
Old Jan 25th 2013 | 7:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
I've got an eleven meter dish just up the hill from me.

But I believe some of the satellites might wander of track if I borrow it
Suggest you dont do that..... Dell Boy tried it once ... didn't work
 
Old Jan 25th 2013 | 7:54 pm
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Originally Posted by John & Kath
Is that one of the pretty ones covered in a " Raydome " ?
No they were military, this one belongs to SES
 
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next time in the UK pop down to BT's place on the Isle of Dogs, they have a few large dishes down there
 
Old Jan 25th 2013 | 11:47 pm
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Originally Posted by John & Kath
Is that one of the pretty ones covered in a " Raydome " ?
John, you could put a satellite relay on the hill above your place and serve most of CE (and charge a reasonable access fee). How about setting up a subscription club?
 
Old Jan 26th 2013 | 4:15 am
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Originally Posted by MikeJ
John, you could put a satellite relay on the hill above your place and serve most of CE (and charge a reasonable access fee). How about setting up a subscription club?
That is not too far fetched but we don't own the hill however if we were to hide among the trees who would know? But and there is always a but could we transmit the signal from that super large dish by wimax or would it have to be cabled. There are lots of ducts everywhere on Esuri with just string in them but my guess would be that someone might notice the scale of cabling we would need to do to make the proposal economically viable!
 
Old Jan 29th 2013 | 3:15 am
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Originally Posted by MikeJ
TMN don't seem to be offering the 3G dongle or service on their web site. There is a .pdf document with all the tarrifs - but my Portuguese is not up to the translation and as it's a .pdf then google wont touch it. On the 3G tarrif it says €0,32 per min!
They are still offering that service as before. But instead of 7,2mbps the new 3G+ from TMN goes up to 14,4mbps. Still the "unlimited" 15Gb is only enough too allow 500mb per day.
This was a software upgrade on the antennas base station that doubled their speed on 3G frequency.
On tmn page you need to go to Tarifários > Pós-Pago or Pré-Pagos

Regarding 4G offer from TMN, even the lowest 4G speed should be more than enough for IPTV. Only 10% signal coverage should allow 30mbps. But TMN is limitting the the 4G speed to 256kbps after 22Gb, although the contract mentions 15Gb.

Regarding the time based "banda larga pré-paga Light" (1€ per hour), it mentions on the a note something about traffic limit:
Spoiler:
O tráfego não consumido será acumulado ao tráfego correspondente ao novo carregamento, até ao limite de 2400MB. Prevalece o período de navegação com maior validade.

Still it appears to be a mistake. This 2400Mb should only be applicable to the pre-paid traffic based (banda larga pré-paga 10) and not the time based (pré-paga light).
 
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Originally Posted by ARPcPro
They are still offering that service as before. But instead of 7,2mbps the new 3G+ from TMN goes up to 14,4mbps. Still the "unlimited" 15Gb is only enough too allow 500mb per day.
This was a software upgrade on the antennas base station that doubled their speed on 3G frequency.
On tmn page you need to go to Tarifários > Pós-Pago or Pré-Pagos

Regarding 4G offer from TMN, even the lowest 4G speed should be more than enough for IPTV. Only 10% signal coverage should allow 30mbps. But TMN is limitting the the 4G speed to 256kbps after 22Gb, although the contract mentions 15Gb.

Regarding the time based "banda larga pré-paga Light" (1€ per hour), it mentions on the a note something about traffic limit:
Spoiler:
O tráfego não consumido será acumulado ao tráfego correspondente ao novo carregamento, até ao limite de 2400MB. Prevalece o período de navegação com maior validade.

Still it appears to be a mistake. This 2400Mb should only be applicable to the pre-paid traffic based (banda larga pré-paga 10) and not the time based (pré-paga light).
Hi ARPcPro

Thanks for the explanation - but I am a little confused - sorry my fault.... IT isnt my strongest thing!

Regarding the time based "banda larga pré-paga Light" (1€ per hour) - is it a mistake that they quote a limit, or is it unlimited i.e you pay 1€ per hour, regardless of what you down/up load, please?

Thanks
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I have spoken to the people in one of the TMN shops in Villa Real and to get the unlimited 3g contract or either of the 4g contracts you will need a Portuguese ID number, I presume this is like a Spanish NIE.
 
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Originally Posted by guesswork
I have spoken to the people in one of the TMN shops in Villa Real and to get the unlimited 3g contract or either of the 4g contracts you will need a Portuguese ID number, I presume this is like a Spanish NIE.
I bought the SLINGBOX that I posted on before on this thread. It arrived this morning, easy set up and needs only 600kb/s upload to stream an SD feed.

The Belgian set up is a bit tricky - but UK setup will be a lot easier, in fact it may well be possible to be up and running in 15-30 mins max.

I bought the SOLO - the cheapest from Amazon - and an SD picture on the TV via my computers HDMI port is very good. Certainly good enough for us... we watch mostly SD anyway.

We now have our TV anywhere in the world which has an internet connection that is reasonably fast - but nothing mega fast needed. The TMN dongle will easily manage this.

What it does is have a sender you place near the set top box, this replicates the remote control. There is a copy of your remote on the PC screen, a 'virtual remote'. The Solo is connected to your home internet, and controlled by you and your PC from a distant location. The virtual remote activates the sender and you change channels just as you do at home and see the picture on your PC. You can even switch off your set top box - just like you would with your remote and leave it on standby - till you need it. The Solo will be on all the time.

With this and Filmon we have many UK channels (not as much as Freesat) and now all our Belgian channels replicated whenever we travel. With the up-front cost of £90 paid, its 'free' from now on. The dongle will cost me 1euro/hour. After several months of trying we will determine whether we switch the dongle to a monthly contract. Previously it wasnt worth it to pay for the months we arent there, now it will depend on a typical TV viewing time for the time we are here....

Looks good for your average 'friendly neighbourhood couch potato!'

Jon

PS Annoy the other half, go upstairs and 'mysteriously' change the channel they are watching!! Thus get a real 'potato experience' ..... get a couple of black eyes as well

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Old Feb 4th 2013 | 7:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl
I bought the SLINGBOX that I posted on before on this thread. It arrived this morning, easy set up and needs only 600kb/s upload to stream an SD feed.

The Belgian set up is a bit tricky - but UK setup will be a lot easier, in fact it may well be possible to be up and running in 15-30 mins max.

I bought the SOLO - the cheapest from Amazon - and an SD picture on the TV via my computers HDMI port is very good. Certainly good enough for us... we watch mostly SD anyway.

We now have our TV anywhere in the world which has an internet connection that is reasonably fast - but nothing mega fast needed. The TMN dongle will easily manage this.

What it does is have a sender you place near the set top box, this replicates the remote control. There is a copy of your remote on the PC screen, a 'virtual remote'. The Solo is connected to your home internet, and controlled by you and your PC from a distant location. The virtual remote activates the sender and you change channels just as you do at home and see the picture on your PC. You can even switch off your set top box - just like you would with your remote and leave it on standby - till you need it. The Solo will be on all the time.

With this and Filmon we have many UK channels (not as much as Freesat) and now all our Belgian channels replicated whenever we travel. With the up-front cost of £90 paid, its 'free' from now on. The dongle will cost me 1euro/hour. After several months of trying we will determine whether we switch the dongle to a monthly contract. Previously it wasnt worth it to pay for the months we arent there, now it will depend on a typical TV viewing time for the time we are here....

Looks good for your average 'friendly neighbourhood couch potato!'

Jon

PS Annoy the other half, go upstairs and 'mysteriously' change the channel they are watching!! Thus get a real 'potato experience' ..... get a couple of black eyes as well
Jon, have yoy seen this (copied from Portugal forum)

General terms and conditions for all TMN mobile internet services;
http://www.tmn.pt/portal/site/tmn/me...5401650aRCR D

See item 31. Translation:

The Internet speeds associated with each tariff is the maximum speed for use by the client according to the service characteristics. Download speeds and upload will vary depending on the type of connection used, computer configuration, applications that every time the client run; traffic congestion on the Internet, as well as the performance and speed of access which servers are housed sites and content they wish to access. To ensure a high quality service to all customers, wherever tmn check the occurrence of situations likely to have negative impact on the quality of the services provided on the network can apply a fair use policy to all customers who exceed fifteen GB use during a month, reducing its velocity until the end of the month to one hundred twenty-eight kbps.

Apparently it is Portuguese regulation and applies to all providers
 
Old Feb 4th 2013 | 8:21 pm
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Jon, have yoy seen this (copied from Portugal forum)

General terms and conditions for all TMN mobile internet services;
http://www.tmn.pt/portal/site/tmn/me...5401650aRCR D

See item 31. Translation:

The Internet speeds associated with each tariff is the maximum speed for use by the client according to the service characteristics. Download speeds and upload will vary depending on the type of connection used, computer configuration, applications that every time the client run; traffic congestion on the Internet, as well as the performance and speed of access which servers are housed sites and content they wish to access. To ensure a high quality service to all customers, wherever tmn check the occurrence of situations likely to have negative impact on the quality of the services provided on the network can apply a fair use policy to all customers who exceed fifteen GB use during a month, reducing its velocity until the end of the month to one hundred twenty-eight kbps.

Apparently it is Portuguese regulation and applies to all providers
Hi Mike

Bl***y-hell! Question answered

Watching TV is going to be very expensive when the satellites goes down, and I am pretty sure they will. There will be all sorts of ideas coming up for a replacement, but I can see no practical way that we can do that without an internet connection.

Rough calculation SD is better as you use less bits and say 600KB/s

To use 15GB that's about 67 hours TV a month a couple of hours a day. Err I think the back of the envelope was full!

Would also be 67 Euros/month. Just for TV. Add more for the normal internet usage. If you want more TV/internet I suppose one could get another dongle. Divide that by the time you are not there and you can see whether its better to go for an unlimited package. But that will be expensive. It bugs me to pay for unlimited usage monthly when I am not there. But this is no fault of TMN their package has always been the best for me that I've seen in Europe. I never envisioned watching TV on the internet when I bought the dongle a few years back

This satellite change has really involved huge cost increases, for non-permanent residents that dont have unlimited down/upload

I hope that TMN havent got or introduced the technology to actually do this. They (for example) reduced to 3 months the reload time, from 6, to keep old balances active. However it didnt zero for me previously when I came back later than that. So I will wait for the sats to drop off and test it in 'real life' and solve the problem if/when it arises.

What a drag!

BTW I went the slingbox route as opposed to remote desktop as it was far more elegant and the box is small and can be hidden away....

Thanks
Jon

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Old Feb 4th 2013 | 11:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Jon-Bxl
Rough calculation SD is better as you use less bits and say 600KB/s

To use 15GB that's about 67 hours TV a month a couple of hours a day. Err I think the back of the envelope was full!

Thanks
Jon
Get a bigger envelope!!
 
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