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Old Feb 7th 2015 | 2:09 am
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
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So it is OK for you to contemplate TAX AVOIDANCE in Portugal
You really are a master of the wibble wibble comment.

What we in Portugal are calling a tax is an increase in the cost the companies must pay to use the no 4 car park at faro.
If the companies move away from the airport they are not using the facilities and therefore do not incur the charge.

Unlike UK residents who use tax havens to avoid paying tax but still use the services that the average man in the street is paying for.

PS you missed the post I put on the outer Mongolia Forum , I am flattered that you find my posts so interesting that you feel oblidged to comment on them.
 
Old Feb 7th 2015 | 2:22 am
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What we in Portugal are calling a tax is an increase in the cost the companies must pay to use the no 4 car park at faro.
If the companies move away from the airport they are not using the facilities and therefore do not incur the charge.

Unlike UK residents who use tax havens to avoid paying tax but still use the services that the average man in the street is paying for.
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You are again moving the goal posts

You have been insisting that Gibraltar residents pay UK taxes when they are in general not using UK services

The few I know that use UK services are the unfortunate cancer sufferers the use hospitals like the Royal Marsden

The services they gratefully receive are paid for by the Gibraltar government.
 
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My view I repeat yet again is that if Gibraltar regards it self as British, demands the intervention of HMG in its schoolyard dispute with Spain , requires the intervention of UK armed forces then they should pay UK tax.
Otherwise declare your self independent like 95% of other commonwealth countries and deal with your problems yourselves.
You can charge rent to HMG for use of the facilities or like the Maltese tell us to bugger off.
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Old Feb 7th 2015 | 3:37 am
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We now have troops throughout the year working in all the world’s trouble spots, side by side with other elements of UK Armed Forces. The next few years will see the Regiment continuing to undertake the challenge of continuing this tempo of operations while expanding its structure and taking on more varied tasks, both in Gibraltar and around the world in pursuit of the UK’s wider interests.

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Old Feb 7th 2015 | 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by EMR
My view I repeat yet again is that if Gibraltar regards it self as British, demands the intervention of HMG in its schoolyard dispute with Spain , requires the intervention of UK armed forces then they should pay UK tax.
Otherwise declare your self independent like 95% of other commonwealth countries and deal with your problems yourselves.
You can charge rent to HMG for use of the facilities or like the Maltese tell us to bugger off.
Sink or Swim , we all know what the answer will be , you know when you are better off.
Why do you ignore facts that you do not agree with? As I pointed out previously, Gibraltar is not part of the UK so why on earth should it pay UK taxes?
Gibraltar does not enjoy the benefits paid for by UK tax payers, except perhaps military and that is a quid-pro-quo for the UK using Gibraltar's facilities and the FCO and there is precious little benefit in that.
 
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Originally Posted by MikeJ
Why do you ignore facts that you do not agree with? As I pointed out previously, Gibraltar is not part of the UK so why on earth should it pay UK taxes?
Gibraltar does not enjoy the benefits paid for by UK tax payers, except perhaps military and that is a quid-pro-quo for the UK using Gibraltar's facilities and the FCO and there is precious little benefit in that.
You obviously did not watch the TV series on GiB as far as many of those who took part they are British ergo not Gibraltarians.
I have no problem with GiB proclaiming its independence but I doubt that if there was a vote the majority want that .
Therefore if they do not want independence they are still defacto part of the UK.
 
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Originally Posted by EMR
You obviously did not watch the TV series on GiB as far as many of those who took part they are British ergo not Gibraltarians.
I have no problem with GiB proclaiming its independence but I doubt that if there was a vote the majority want that .
Therefore if they do not want independence they are still defacto part of the UK.
Do you really not know the difference between British and the UK or are you being deliberately obtuse?
 
Old Feb 7th 2015 | 7:12 pm
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You have to give him credit. He never gives up, even when he's been hacked to bits.

In fact I imagine him as something like an impossible John Cleese Monty Python character. The Monty Python theme always plays in the back of my head whenever I see his name on a post.
 
Old Feb 7th 2015 | 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Gibraltar is British and has a constitution that had to be agreed by the UK government.

Gibraltar does not keep running to the UK Government, it is part of the UK's commitment, which we locally feel is being mainly neglected.

Please write and ask your MP to put forward a motion to give Gibraltar it's independence we would welcome it.

I take it you do not agree with artificial reefs and marine protection which are worldwide?

We have not awarded ourselves a quota, what has been done is to reduce the quota from unlimited to a reasonable level.

Who are these with vested interests?

When are you going to address my previous questions sensible workable solutions?????

Or are you doing your usual of avoiding a subject you know nothing about whilst still trying to knife us in the back?
Some people have short memories as this was posted only 17 days ago
 
Old Feb 7th 2015 | 10:54 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR
You obviously did not watch the TV series on GiB as far as many of those who took part they are British ergo not Gibraltarians.
I have no problem with GiB proclaiming its independence but I doubt that if there was a vote the majority want that .
Therefore if they do not want independence they are still defacto part of the UK.
Got the word wrong way round ie
"Gibraltarians ergo British"

just as English ergo British
Falkland Islander ergo British
Welsh ergo British
etc etc
 
Old Feb 7th 2015 | 11:09 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeJ
Got the word wrong way round ie
"Gibraltarians ergo British"

just as English ergo British
Falkland Islander ergo British
Welsh ergo British
etc etc
The Falkland islands in no way compares to the populatipn and structure of Gibraltar.
As for Wales you make my point.
Wales has its own assembly etc but its has no power over foreign .military or tax raising authority..
All of this is determined by Westminster.
This should be the case in Gibraltar.
The status of Gibraltar should be that of Wales or Northern Island or even better a UK county council.

The alternative full Independence and become part the commonwealth.
 
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Time for this one again, me thinks:

 
Old Feb 8th 2015 | 12:19 am
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This latest discussion started 45 posts back and was prompted by a statement from Ed Miliband that he would have any Overseas Territory that did not open it's books / create a register ref. companies within 6 months of a Labour election victory blacklisted by the OECD.

Well the OECD does not have a blacklist, it was suspended in 2009 because their was no consensus on what constituted a Tax Haven.

This register does not exist in any country in the world, not even the UK.

If Labour was to require the UK to produce a register the consensus of opinion is that no way could it be done in 6 months.

When previously David Cameron had broached this subject most Overseas Territories took no action possibly because no clarity in requirements was made.

Also lets look at the situation today, personally I can only speak for Gibraltar and here anyone can walk into Companies House and for a fee of £15 examine all the documentation relating to any company registered in Gibraltar.Including the documents of the companies iincorporation the Articles of Association and all subsequent paperwork including annual returns and Particulars of Directors etc as required by law.

For £45 you can walk out with a copy of all the relevant paperwork

There are also methods for this to viewed online.

What more do they want other than maybe a paperwork exercise to justify employing more Civil Servants.
 
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One poster is under the misguided opinion that Gibraltarians should be taxed in the UK.

Some form of double taxation?

Well that is their opinion but I believe we all understand this and there is no necessity to keep repeating it ad nauseum

However I must point out that the UK Government does not agree.
 
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The tax structure in Gibraltar and that of all UK Overseeas territories should be that of the UK.
The alternative if they have as we are led to believe a viable economy is to declare independence.
The tax system would be that which exists with any country that the UK has a double taxation treaty with.
If the UK inland revenue judges the income earned in the UK to be UK taxable then any tax paid in the country of registration would be deducted from the UK tax bill.
Therefore no double taxation.
As for the OECD blacklist the UK inland revenue has the authority to declare any scheme
as liable for UK tax.
This can of course be challenged in the UK courts.

The Millipede and Camaron principle is that any companies or individuals earnings in the
UK should be taxed in the UK no matter where they become tax resident.
You will find that apart fom those who take advantage of these schemes these policies will have universal support in the UK.
Obama is also calling for changes in US tax laws to deal with similar issues.
Gibraltar is not being picked on it is just one of many tax havens being targetted.
I would also add the the problem arises from weak UK tax laws which have allowed the growth of tax havens in UK overseas territories.
 


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