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Jan 23rd 2015 | 4:33 am
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Re: Gibraltar
LOL I've got to say I do enjoy reading this thread every day for my daily dose of ridiculousness 
Jan 23rd 2015 | 5:16 am
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Re: Gibraltar
We all know that you definition of morallity end with " legal ,," while for most of us actions should not just be legal but decent and honest as well.
Of course 40 tonnes compared to the catch of others is insignificant but to repeat yet again and hopefully the point will finally be driven home the self awarded quota for an endagered species makes a mockery of Gibraltar's claims to be environmentaly active in the waters around Gibraltar.
Awarding itself 40 tonnes this year,400 the next who knows ?
As Fred keeps telling us Gibraltar does not have the recourses to harvest the self awarded quota so if you believe that you will believe anything.
Of course 40 tonnes compared to the catch of others is insignificant but to repeat yet again and hopefully the point will finally be driven home the self awarded quota for an endagered species makes a mockery of Gibraltar's claims to be environmentaly active in the waters around Gibraltar.
Awarding itself 40 tonnes this year,400 the next who knows ?
As Fred keeps telling us Gibraltar does not have the recourses to harvest the self awarded quota so if you believe that you will believe anything.
Was an endangered species. It is not out of danger yet, but as long as the EU monitors illegal activities by Spain, Portugal etc. then stocks will replenish and a conserving fishing policy will ensue. I repeat, ICCAT has increased the EU’s quota for 2015.
By the way, Alfredo Valencia, (a Spanish environmental group) the group’s spokesman, said the fishing was being carried out “…mostly by Gibraltarian pleasure boats but, in smaller measure, by Spanish ones tooâ€.
Dr John Cortes , (Gibraltar) Minister with responsibility for the Environment, confirmed last night (Jan 2015) that the 10 tonne figure had been reached locally and is lower than the estimate of tuna being caught locally before the regulation was in place.
Jan 23rd 2015 | 5:42 am
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Jan 23rd 2015 | 7:29 am
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Re: Gibraltar
It is 10 tonnes, not 40.
Was an endangered species. It is not out of danger yet, but as long as the EU monitors illegal activities by Spain, Portugal etc. then stocks will replenish and a conserving fishing policy will ensue. I repeat, ICCAT has increased the EU’s quota for 2015.
By the way, Alfredo Valencia, (a Spanish environmental group) the group’s spokesman, said the fishing was being carried out “…mostly by Gibraltarian pleasure boats but, in smaller measure, by Spanish ones tooâ€.
Dr John Cortes , (Gibraltar) Minister with responsibility for the Environment, confirmed last night (Jan 2015) that the 10 tonne figure had been reached locally and is lower than the estimate of tuna being caught locally before the regulation was in place.
Was an endangered species. It is not out of danger yet, but as long as the EU monitors illegal activities by Spain, Portugal etc. then stocks will replenish and a conserving fishing policy will ensue. I repeat, ICCAT has increased the EU’s quota for 2015.
By the way, Alfredo Valencia, (a Spanish environmental group) the group’s spokesman, said the fishing was being carried out “…mostly by Gibraltarian pleasure boats but, in smaller measure, by Spanish ones tooâ€.
Dr John Cortes , (Gibraltar) Minister with responsibility for the Environment, confirmed last night (Jan 2015) that the 10 tonne figure had been reached locally and is lower than the estimate of tuna being caught locally before the regulation was in place.
I prefer the evidence of the of organisations like the WWF who still classify the bluefin as one of the worlds most endagered species.
Jan 23rd 2015 | 7:34 am
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Re: Gibraltar
We all know that you definition of morallity end with " legal ,," while for most of us actions should not just be legal but decent and honest as well.
Of course 40 tonnes compared to the catch of others is insignificant but to repeat yet again and hopefully the point will finally be driven home the self awarded quota for an endagered species makes a mockery of Gibraltar's claims to be environmentaly active in the waters around Gibraltar.
Awarding itself 40 tonnes this year,400 the next who knows ?
As Fred keeps telling us Gibraltar does not have the recourses to harvest the self awarded quota so if you believe that you will believe anything.
Of course 40 tonnes compared to the catch of others is insignificant but to repeat yet again and hopefully the point will finally be driven home the self awarded quota for an endagered species makes a mockery of Gibraltar's claims to be environmentaly active in the waters around Gibraltar.
Awarding itself 40 tonnes this year,400 the next who knows ?
As Fred keeps telling us Gibraltar does not have the recourses to harvest the self awarded quota so if you believe that you will believe anything.
Does Gib actually harvest its quota, or is that simply a theoretical limit? And that theoretical limit is only a fraction of a fraction of almost any other country.
So what, exactly is your goddammed problem? You continue to do nothing more than howling at the moon for the sake of howling.
Jan 23rd 2015 | 8:31 am
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Well as a minister of the Government of Gibraltar 
I must admit I am dismayed at the attitude and insults that have been thrown at my country.
However bowing to the pressure of these insults I am going to open a discussion at the next meeting of Parliament ( Thursday 29th January ) to discuss the removal of the concrete reef that has caused so much hatred to be directed at Gibraltar and in so doing allow the environment to to fend for itself.
Likewise I will ask for the fishing quotas to be removed so we can move back to the peace we had before there proposed implementation.
This should save Gibraltar from being vilified in all manners of public information.
Also it will give Spain a victory they so need.
I must admit I am dismayed at the attitude and insults that have been thrown at my country.However bowing to the pressure of these insults I am going to open a discussion at the next meeting of Parliament ( Thursday 29th January ) to discuss the removal of the concrete reef that has caused so much hatred to be directed at Gibraltar and in so doing allow the environment to to fend for itself.
Likewise I will ask for the fishing quotas to be removed so we can move back to the peace we had before there proposed implementation.
This should save Gibraltar from being vilified in all manners of public information.
Also it will give Spain a victory they so need.
Jan 23rd 2015 | 9:06 am
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Re: Gibraltar
Perhaps the oddest thing about this debate is that whilst there has been limitless evidence submitted to show the tonnage taken by various countries. Hundreds and thousands of tonnes, did I miss the data showing that Gib harvests even one tonne, or even a kilogram?
Does Gib actually harvest its quota, or is that simply a theoretical limit? And that theoretical limit is only a fraction of a fraction of almost any other country.
So what, exactly is your goddammed problem? You continue to do nothing more than howling at the moon for the sake of howling.
Maybe it is difficult for you to grasp the concept of a country or person having principles.
At least we know now that Gibs claims to be environmentally conscious are just a matter of convenience or rather inconvenience when it disturbs the neighbours.
Jan 23rd 2015 | 10:06 am
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Re: Gibraltar
I take it that you have not read the post by la mancha with the statement from a minister from GiB confirming the catch of tuna.
Maybe it is difficult for you to grasp the concept of a country or person having principles.
At least we know now that Gibs claims to be environmentally conscious are just a matter of convenience or rather inconvenience when it disturbs the neighbours.
Maybe it is difficult for you to grasp the concept of a country or person having principles.
At least we know now that Gibs claims to be environmentally conscious are just a matter of convenience or rather inconvenience when it disturbs the neighbours.
If you really believe that, then I have a lovely waterfront property for a price you can't refuse. Really. Secret deal. Nobody can buy this cheap. Really, honest!
Jan 23rd 2015 | 8:19 pm
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Margallo pressures Spanish debating forum to withdraw Picardo invitation
Date: 23 January 2015 at 12:45
An invitation to the Chief Minister to address a prestigious forum in Madrid next month has been withdrawn following pressure by the Spanish Foreign Minister. Fabian Picardo was due to speak at the Nueva EconomÃa Fórum, that describes itself as an independent debating organisation, on the 3rd of February, but details of the talk have been removed from its website.
The Gibraltar Chronicle says there were indications on Wednesday night that José Manuel GarcÃa Margallo had personally intervened to stop the event, and a Gibraltar Government spokesman has confirmed the director of the Forum telephoned on Friday morning to cancel, citing the reason as "matters of state". As the Chronicle points out, the Spanish Prime Minister recently walked arm-in-arm with David Cameron in Paris supporting the right to free speech in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo shootings.
The decision to withdraw the invitation could also be interpreted as a snub to the UK, given that the British Ambassador, Simon Manley, was due to introduce Mr. Picardo. The Nueva EconomÃa Fórum hosts well-known speakers every few days, usually at breakfast, with Mariano Rajoy scheduled for next week. Former Chief Minister Sir Peter Caruana was himself a guest, twice, when the socialist PSOE was in government in Spain.
Meanwhile, the Government has told GBC it's not surprised by the disgraceful actions of the Spanish Foreign Minister who, it says, suffers a distinct by-passing of democratic principles when it comes to any Gibraltar matter.
GBC | Gibraltar Broadcasting Corporation
Date: 23 January 2015 at 12:45
An invitation to the Chief Minister to address a prestigious forum in Madrid next month has been withdrawn following pressure by the Spanish Foreign Minister. Fabian Picardo was due to speak at the Nueva EconomÃa Fórum, that describes itself as an independent debating organisation, on the 3rd of February, but details of the talk have been removed from its website.
The Gibraltar Chronicle says there were indications on Wednesday night that José Manuel GarcÃa Margallo had personally intervened to stop the event, and a Gibraltar Government spokesman has confirmed the director of the Forum telephoned on Friday morning to cancel, citing the reason as "matters of state". As the Chronicle points out, the Spanish Prime Minister recently walked arm-in-arm with David Cameron in Paris supporting the right to free speech in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo shootings.
The decision to withdraw the invitation could also be interpreted as a snub to the UK, given that the British Ambassador, Simon Manley, was due to introduce Mr. Picardo. The Nueva EconomÃa Fórum hosts well-known speakers every few days, usually at breakfast, with Mariano Rajoy scheduled for next week. Former Chief Minister Sir Peter Caruana was himself a guest, twice, when the socialist PSOE was in government in Spain.
Meanwhile, the Government has told GBC it's not surprised by the disgraceful actions of the Spanish Foreign Minister who, it says, suffers a distinct by-passing of democratic principles when it comes to any Gibraltar matter.
GBC | Gibraltar Broadcasting Corporation
El Mundo, ABC and Publico were swift with online follow-ups and quoted Gibraltar Government sources as indicating that the Forum had had its sponsorship threatened. El Pais said that confidentially it had been told by a member of the Forum that there had been pressure that “could affect some if its patrons.â€
QUESTIONS
Meanwhile, Catalan MP Jon Iñarritu of AMAIUR in the groupo mixto moved quickly to table a question in the Spanish Parliament yesterday. He asks for confirmation of the claims that Sr Margallo intervened to stop the conference and if this was coercion on the sponsors or threat of reprisals. He asked what action the minister had taken on this matter and also if the Spanish Government “considers prejudicial that the Chief Minister of Gibraltar puts forward his view at a conference in Madrid?â€
Gibraltar Chronicle - The Independent Daily First Published 1801
Isn't democracy great ?
I understand that Atún Encebollado was to be served at the meal following the speech
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Jan 23rd 2015 | 10:56 pm
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Re: Gibraltar
The International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas is an inter-governmental fishery organization responsible for the conservation of tunas and tuna-like species in the Atlantic Ocean and its adjacent seas.
ICCAT Membership
The Commission may be joined by:
Any government that is a member of the United Nations (UN)
Any government that is a member of a Specialized Agency of the United Nations
Gibraltar is not a member of the United Nations.
Why not???
Spain keeps blackballing us.
I rest my case
ICCAT Membership
The Commission may be joined by:
Any government that is a member of the United Nations (UN)
Any government that is a member of a Specialized Agency of the United Nations
Gibraltar is not a member of the United Nations.
Why not???
Spain keeps blackballing us.
I rest my case
Jan 24th 2015 | 12:36 am
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Re: Gibraltar
I take it that you have not read the post by la mancha with the statement from a minister from GiB confirming the catch of tuna.
Maybe it is difficult for you to grasp the concept of a country or person having principles.
At least we know now that Gibs claims to be environmentally conscious are just a matter of convenience or rather inconvenience when it disturbs the neighbours.
Maybe it is difficult for you to grasp the concept of a country or person having principles.
At least we know now that Gibs claims to be environmentally conscious are just a matter of convenience or rather inconvenience when it disturbs the neighbours.
If you read into my post correctly, you will see that Dr John Cortes, Gib Minister for the Environment, said that the 10 tonnes limit that was introduced is lower than the tuna being caught before regulation was in place (by Spanish fishermen as well, I add). I call that environmentally friendly.
Remember, ICCAT has just introduced an increase in the EU's quota for this year.
I take it you can come up with evidence that Gib is harvesting Tuna?
Jan 24th 2015 | 2:31 am
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Re: Gibraltar
I thought I was finished with this but as my name has just been mention I may as well answer.
If you read into my post correctly, you will see that Dr John Cortes, Gib Minister for the Environment, said that the 10 tonnes limit that was introduced is lower than the tuna being caught before regulation was in place (by Spanish fishermen as well, I add). I call that environmentally friendly.
Remember, ICCAT has just introduced an increase in the EU's quota for this year.
I take it you can come up with evidence that Gib is harvesting Tuna?
If you read into my post correctly, you will see that Dr John Cortes, Gib Minister for the Environment, said that the 10 tonnes limit that was introduced is lower than the tuna being caught before regulation was in place (by Spanish fishermen as well, I add). I call that environmentally friendly.
Remember, ICCAT has just introduced an increase in the EU's quota for this year.
I take it you can come up with evidence that Gib is harvesting Tuna?
I have asked the question and still not received an answer why has GiB awarded itself a quota unless it is for those involved to make a profit ?
I am one of those strange people who looks at cans to see what.how and where the contents are sourced. Who will avoid buying out of season fruit and veg that's has been flown half way around the world. That out of choice avoids factory farmed meats. Who in the last 20 years has never visited any fast food chains and also avoids or minimises any dealings with global exploiters like Amazon.Starbucks etc.
So its nothing to do with being anti GiB but being anti unnecessary exploitation of an endagered species. This just happens to be a GiB forum
Jan 24th 2015 | 3:54 am
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One endagered species caught for profit is a harvest.
I have asked the question and still not received an answer why has GiB awarded itself a quota unless it is for those involved to make a profit ?
I am one of those strange people who looks at cans to see what.how and where the contents are sourced. Who will avoid buying out of season fruit and veg that's has been flown half way around the world. That out of choice avoids factory farmed meats. Who in the last 20 years has never visited any fast food chains and also avoids or minimises any dealings with global exploiters like Amazon.Starbucks etc.
So its nothing to do with being anti GiB but being anti unnecessary exploitation of an endagered species. This just happens to be a GiB forum
I have asked the question and still not received an answer why has GiB awarded itself a quota unless it is for those involved to make a profit ?
I am one of those strange people who looks at cans to see what.how and where the contents are sourced. Who will avoid buying out of season fruit and veg that's has been flown half way around the world. That out of choice avoids factory farmed meats. Who in the last 20 years has never visited any fast food chains and also avoids or minimises any dealings with global exploiters like Amazon.Starbucks etc.
So its nothing to do with being anti GiB but being anti unnecessary exploitation of an endagered species. This just happens to be a GiB forum
‘One endagered species caught for profit is a harvest.’
A harvest is only if the fish are sold on (for a profit). Have you evidence that this is so?
Jan 24th 2015 | 4:35 am
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I have stated many times I will answer your question when you have the manners to answer mine.
So why are you avoiding the issue?????
Previous posts
Most important is for an answer that provides a workable logistical way of making a profit for tuna caught by sportsfishermen in Gibraltar.
So far you have made the following unworkable sugestion
I then pointed out the error in your answer and since nothing
So I am still waiting
So why are you avoiding the issue?????
Previous posts
So far you have made the following unworkable sugestion
1) I responded at the time stating that I read and understood your post.
2 ) The sports fishing boat operators charge a fee to their customers and if they have got their sums right make a profit. They also get to keep the catch which they can sell on 100% profit.
3) As is done with other bluefin fisheries in the world the prepared fish is deep chilled \ frozen and is airfreighted to Japan or other mar!ets within hours of being landed. I am assuming that GiB has cold stores and daily scheduled flights to hubs like Heathrow with a number of daily flights to markets for tuna.
This is an established global market.
I have answered your questions now please answer mine. Why was a quota for one of the most valuable fish in the world created when in your own words Gibraltar does not have a fishing industry. Where will the catch end up.??
2 ) The sports fishing boat operators charge a fee to their customers and if they have got their sums right make a profit. They also get to keep the catch which they can sell on 100% profit.
3) As is done with other bluefin fisheries in the world the prepared fish is deep chilled \ frozen and is airfreighted to Japan or other mar!ets within hours of being landed. I am assuming that GiB has cold stores and daily scheduled flights to hubs like Heathrow with a number of daily flights to markets for tuna.
This is an established global market.
I have answered your questions now please answer mine. Why was a quota for one of the most valuable fish in the world created when in your own words Gibraltar does not have a fishing industry. Where will the catch end up.??
I then pointed out the error in your answer and since nothing
So I am still waiting
