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Old Jul 20th 2008 | 2:42 am
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Originally Posted by jono6395
Interesting article in the ST, agree doesnt say much more than widely known issues. However, maybe the nub of the article for those who are now owners on CE is:

'...what will happen to the golf course?'

Anyone know?

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The golf is in the hands of Aymerich so no problems there

What you should be asking is: What about the rest of the site? What about the marina? What about the CC? All relatively unkowns.

I understand a statement to clarify the plan to take Martinsa forward is already in place and should be announced Monday or Tuesday - according to the esteemed mayor of Ayamonte. Didn't say of which week though

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Old Jul 20th 2008 | 3:59 am
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Originally Posted by Fortaleza
The golf is in the hands of Aymerich so no problems there

What you should be asking is: What about the rest of the site? What about the marina? What about the CC? All relatively unkowns.

I understand a statement to clarify the plan to take Martinsa forward is already in place and should be announced Monday or Tuesday - according to the esteemed mayor of Ayamonte. Didn't say of which week though
Sorry jon but as I understand it Fadesa own the courses Aymerich are only their contracted managers. There was another management company before Aymerich came on the scene and Fadesa ditched them easily enough when it suited so I imagine the contract with Aymerich is just as flexible.

I am less worried about the CC since all the recent photos I have seen show that the major building works are all but complete and it is at the stage where tenant fit-out takes place. In UK this is the stage when shopping malls are often sold on by developers to insurance companies or fund managers.

The Marina was not mentioned to early adopters it came along later and as I understand the permission it is not residential and only allows for boat and ancillary uses. There was and probably after the downturn will be again a shortage of berths all along the Spanish coast and I would expect the Junta Andalucia to encourage take up by others when the time is right. I am not sure that Fadesa had actually bought the site from the Fish Farm only an option was as I understood it before the permissions were granted so others could come in there when the time is right. It always was an unknown.
 
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Originally Posted by Fortaleza
The golf is in the hands of Aymerich so no problems there

What you should be asking is: What about the rest of the site? What about the marina? What about the CC? All relatively unkowns.

I understand a statement to clarify the plan to take Martinsa forward is already in place and should be announced Monday or Tuesday - according to the esteemed mayor of Ayamonte. Didn't say of which week though
Thanks for keeping us informed Forteleza.

Whether fact or fiction the Times article is unsettling and there is truth in it for some of us. We still want to be positive about this because ultimately we want a home in this area. However, we are one of those affected - we delayed completion due to poor quality work, not meeting expectation, no electricty etc and proposed an exchange. Having an agreement in principle - down to a specific house we have struggled since Feb to try and get it confirmed. Fadesa then went back on this and sold the house we wanted last month (bet the lucky people don't feel so lucky now! - Sorry that was not nice). We are told by our solicitor we have a bank guarantee, but we have never seen it. It will be helpful to have an honest statement from someone about what is going to happen and then at least we can accept it and plan accordingly, even if it means significant financial loss. And loss of a dream. Sorry to be negative.

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Old Jul 20th 2008 | 4:30 am
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Originally Posted by jdr
The problem all along has probably been the lack of money Fadesa has paid Endesa, would you supply them knowing the position they are in ?
I have emailed all in the Rago 1 group a copy of a certificate sent by my solicitor that confirms all payments made for electricity to be connected.
 
Old Jul 20th 2008 | 5:42 am
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Sorry jon but as I understand it Fadesa own the courses Aymerich are only their contracted managers. There was another management company before Aymerich came on the scene and Fadesa ditched them easily enough when it suited so I imagine the contract with Aymerich is just as flexible.

I am less worried about the CC since all the recent photos I have seen show that the major building works are all but complete and it is at the stage where tenant fit-out takes place. In UK this is the stage when shopping malls are often sold on by developers to insurance companies or fund managers.

The Marina was not mentioned to early adopters it came along later and as I understand the permission it is not residential and only allows for boat and ancillary uses. There was and probably after the downturn will be again a shortage of berths all along the Spanish coast and I would expect the Junta Andalucia to encourage take up by others when the time is right. I am not sure that Fadesa had actually bought the site from the Fish Farm only an option was as I understood it before the permissions were granted so others could come in there when the time is right. It always was an unknown.
I stand corrected re the golf course.

But the CC can be as ready as you want it to be. Fact is, no-one will touch those units with a barge pole right now. It was an extremely hard sell before, imagine it now!. According to today's El Pais, only 2150-ish (can't be arsed to get exact number as it means getting up and finding paper!!!) are ready on site - of the 6000 or so promised. Of that number, many remain unsold. Why would any business come in now? Even if they give the first FOUR years of a 10 year lease free, I still wouldn't fancy it. It remains to be seen if the small catchment area of Ayamonte can sustain two CC's AND a thriving town centre. The logical, common sense answer says no. And, as previously posted, the business community feels the same way.

The marina is a non-starter if public funds need to be found for its construction, IMHO.
 
Old Jul 20th 2008 | 6:04 am
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BREAKING NEWS:

Just had a call to say that I will have an interview with the Alcalde about the Esuri problem "at some point tomorrow". I know it is short notice but why don't you give me a list of things you'd like answered - from the town hall's point of view of the situation; obviously he can't answer things only Fadesa can say.

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Old Jul 20th 2008 | 6:23 am
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Originally Posted by jdr
I see nobody has posted on the have your say at the bottom of the report ?
Come on tell him how it is at CE.
Some people did - they just do not appear to have published. I told them - paraphrase - that their choice of words - bankruptcy - was incorrect, that there were several other inaccuracies - and that there were bloggers out there who were more accurate in their reporting...
 
Old Jul 20th 2008 | 6:26 am
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Originally Posted by Fortaleza
The golf is in the hands of Aymerich so no problems there

What you should be asking is: What about the rest of the site? What about the marina? What about the CC? All relatively unkowns.

I understand a statement to clarify the plan to take Martinsa forward is already in place and should be announced Monday or Tuesday - according to the esteemed mayor of Ayamonte. Didn't say of which week though
I think the Marina is irrelevant in some ways - certainly from my perspective. I did not choose to buy because of a proposed Marina - if it happens then great - and chances are it will happen at some point in the future given the shortage in that part of the world - but if it doesn't then I'm cool with that. The CC is more interesting - everything has a price.
 
Old Jul 20th 2008 | 6:30 am
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Originally Posted by Fortaleza
I stand corrected re the golf course.

But the CC can be as ready as you want it to be. Fact is, no-one will touch those units with a barge pole right now. It was an extremely hard sell before, imagine it now!. According to today's El Pais, only 2150-ish (can't be arsed to get exact number as it means getting up and finding paper!!!) are ready on site - of the 6000 or so promised. Of that number, many remain unsold. Why would any business come in now? Even if they give the first FOUR years of a 10 year lease free, I still wouldn't fancy it. It remains to be seen if the small catchment area of Ayamonte can sustain two CC's AND a thriving town centre. The logical, common sense answer says no. And, as previously posted, the business community feels the same way.

The marina is a non-starter if public funds need to be found for its construction, IMHO.
I always thought the Marina was 10 years away so maybe its 12 now and I agree apart from some seed money I can't see a public investment but sailing is high cost pastime so you could get private sector interest when things look up. The beauty is that it is a marina with planning permission and easy motorway access so I don't think it is a dead duck just very long term.

The present population of CE could manage very well with the smaller centre built by Pracsa and one unit is being fitted out as we speak so that chap is to be congratulated on his foresight. If Praca would get real on rents perhaps we could have a bar on the balcony level and watch the sun go down over the river and golf I.
 
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Originally Posted by GerryW
Some people did - they just do not appear to have published. I told them - paraphrase - that their choice of words - bankruptcy - was incorrect, that there were several other inaccuracies - and that there were bloggers out there who were more accurate in their reporting...
He must of read your reply to him on here then before I deleted them.
I deleted his first post because there is a special forum for media requests, but the second one slipped through, so I deleted that and had to delete the answers to him to keep the thread in context.
 
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He must of read your reply to him on here then before I deleted them.
I deleted his first post because there is a special forum for media requests, but the second one slipped through, so I deleted that and had to delete the answers to him to keep the thread in context.
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Originally Posted by Fortaleza
BREAKING NEWS:

Just had a call to say that I will have an interview with the Alcalde about the Esuri problem "at some point tomorrow". I know it is short notice but why don't you give me a list of things you'd like answered - from the town hall's point of view of the situation; obviously he can't answer things only Fadesa can say.

Either post here or PM.
From a purely selfish point of view and for the benefit of others get to the bottom of what is really happening about the electricity for the whole site. Who is responsible for connecting everyone up, have Fadesa any residual responsibility can it be done asap. That in itself might shift 1000 units if you include plots, apartments, duplex's, townhouses and villas. That would be good for Fadesa, existing owners, potential owners, and commercial buyers.
 
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From a purely selfish point of view and for the benefit of others get to the bottom of what is really happening about the electricity for the whole site. Who is responsible for connecting everyone up, have Fadesa any residual responsibility can it be done asap. That in itself might shift 1000 units if you include plots, apartments, duplex's, townhouses and villas. That would be good for Fadesa, existing owners, potential owners, and commercial buyers.
Noted. Keep 'em coming!
 
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Hehe..politicians, estate agents, and journalists (fortaleza excepted on this occasion ) ...don't you just love them...
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Noted. Keep 'em coming!
Still on the subject of leccy I am afraid, but we are on Rago 1 and want the generator replaced with mains supply. Who is upkeeping things like Gennies and Diesel, and how long before the mains arrives.

Also what happens to commy areas such as pool/garden maintencance where ADA are not yet in control?

Cheers Fort and good luck...
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