Another Bloody Discgrace
Mar 4th 2009, 4:04 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
yes...and didn't the heathen rich pay the poor to say their prayers for them? Something along those lines anyway.
I find it really annoying when people who are as essentially non-religious as I am still automatically say CofE or whatever. Ditto people who have a religious ceremony at their wedding/christen their children but don't actually believe in a word of the sermon (if that's what you call the speaking bit at these dos!). Why do they do it? Conforming to the norm? (Although the truth is probably the opposite) Habit? Does 'atheist' seem like a dirty word to some people? I don't know but it really screws the figures when looking at the amount of religious folk. An earlier post said 50% of the UK were atheist/agnostic or non-believers. Well in that case our churches, mosques, synagogues, whatever should be full to the brim with 30million+ ardent believers.....
I find it really annoying when people who are as essentially non-religious as I am still automatically say CofE or whatever. Ditto people who have a religious ceremony at their wedding/christen their children but don't actually believe in a word of the sermon (if that's what you call the speaking bit at these dos!). Why do they do it? Conforming to the norm? (Although the truth is probably the opposite) Habit? Does 'atheist' seem like a dirty word to some people? I don't know but it really screws the figures when looking at the amount of religious folk. An earlier post said 50% of the UK were atheist/agnostic or non-believers. Well in that case our churches, mosques, synagogues, whatever should be full to the brim with 30million+ ardent believers.....
At the end of the day, everyone lives their lives by a set of moral standards, whether they have been set by others, discribed in a book or set by the person themselves...
Mar 4th 2009, 4:08 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
so what would you call a person that doesn't really think about 'the meaning of life, why are we here, what is it all for, is this all there is etc'...but just lives life as it comes from day to day, trying to make the best of it for himself and where possible for the people around him...
.Seriously though I'm not really sure MH but it appears to be some sort of anti-cognitive belief system
. It would be interesting to see how the individual would respond if asked what the meaning of life was, because like asking someone not to think of a black cat we simply can't comply to the request without thinking of a black cat . Logic loop?
Mar 4th 2009, 4:10 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
People do it to please and because thats what everyone else has done!
I prefer a nice civil ceremony, takes about 30 mins which is perfect in my opinion and then off to get yer champers filled...
Mar 4th 2009, 4:12 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
Yes, I think it does to some people. I must admit, I tick the box for Christian on applications where this is required. I'm not a "Christian" but, perhaps it's my upbringing, that seems the normal thing to do.
I'm not sure what I am; I used to be an athiest but now I don't believe in all that sh1t.
I'm not sure what I am; I used to be an athiest but now I don't believe in all that sh1t.
Mar 4th 2009, 4:14 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
Normal .
Seriously though I'm not really sure MH but it appears to be some sort of anti-cognitive belief system. It would be interesting to see how the individual would respond if asked what the meaning of life was, because like asking someone not to think of a black cat we simply can't comply to the request without thinking of a black cat . Logic loop?
.Seriously though I'm not really sure MH but it appears to be some sort of anti-cognitive belief system
. It would be interesting to see how the individual would respond if asked what the meaning of life was, because like asking someone not to think of a black cat we simply can't comply to the request without thinking of a black cat . Logic loop?
Mar 4th 2009, 4:24 pm
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Mar 4th 2009, 5:53 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
Perhaps some people feel safer thinking that they are unique snowflakes of special unique specialness or sacred manifestations of love rather than the same decaying organic matter as everyone else?
Mar 4th 2009, 5:57 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
hmmmm.....well, I am certainly special cause my car has got white stripes on top of it...and other people know it cause they move out of the way when they see me coming...
Mar 4th 2009, 6:05 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
so what would you call a person that doesn't really think about 'the meaning of life, why are we here, what is it all for, is this all there is etc'...but just lives life as it comes from day to day, trying to make the best of it for himself and where possible for the people around him...
Mar 8th 2009, 5:47 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
so what would you call a person that doesn't really think about 'the meaning of life, why are we here, what is it all for, is this all there is etc'...but just lives life as it comes from day to day, trying to make the best of it for himself and where possible for the people around him...
I would say
a lost good soul.
Mar 8th 2009, 5:47 pm
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Re: Another Bloody Discgrace
What your describing is existentialism (Which is defined as a philosophical movement which posits that individuals create the meaning and essence of their lives, as opposed to it being created for them by deities or authorities or defined for them by philosophical or theological doctrines). Not all Atheists have existential beliefs, though it does often feature quite strongly (perhaps 70 to 80% of Atheists I've met have existential belief systems).
For my own perspective however existential belief systems suffer from a subtle logic flaw that takes a long time to dawn on people (if ever). As Atheism develops this will probably be one of the biggest changes that will happen and, even now, clearly splits Atheists into two distinct groups.
For my own perspective however existential belief systems suffer from a subtle logic flaw that takes a long time to dawn on people (if ever). As Atheism develops this will probably be one of the biggest changes that will happen and, even now, clearly splits Atheists into two distinct groups.
would those two groups fight each other one day?
