australian people
Jun 3rd 2007, 4:53 am
#91
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Re: australian people
Why continue to read the MBUK forum, as it obviously gets up your ass too.
Jun 3rd 2007, 4:58 am
#92
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Re: australian people
Can I remind the posters in this thread that this is the Moving Back to the UK forum, and exists to provide support to those people moving back there. If you cannot post in a supportive or helpful manner then please do not post at all.
Jun 3rd 2007, 11:08 am
#93
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Re: australian people
Yes, i am miserable at the moment. My daugther is very sick, pregnant and in fear for her babies life and i am 12,000 miles away. I think thats a valid enough reason to be miserable right now.
Apart from this current crisis in our lives, i am actually very happy and optimistic. I am really looking forward to going home which excites me.
I have enjoyed my world travels which over the last 9yrs have enabled me to live in 3 different countries.
I never left because i hated UK. Never did long term planning as to coming to Aus. We just did it because we could and we felt like it.
I like Sydney. I just dont want to be here anymore.
Overall, i dont like Australian culture and attitudes.
I use this place as my sounding board. A place to let off steam when, just like 100% of the human population, i have a bad day.
What i find incredibly hard to understand is people like you, who instead of getting on with your own life, planning YOUR future and doing what is best for YOU. Instead you, and a few others find some warped sense of amusement or entertainment to dog on other because they do not share your view. What are you frightened of? Frigthened we are pissing on your parade and making you doubt your judgement in moving?
I cant honestly see any other reason as to why you would want to come in here and say things like this.
Tell me. When people on the other forum moan and groan about not getting their visa. Moan about not being able to leave UK as quick as they like. Slag off the UK and generally are having a frustrated time, do you tell them they are moaners and not interested in reasoned debate?
No... thought not.
Apart from this current crisis in our lives, i am actually very happy and optimistic. I am really looking forward to going home which excites me.
I have enjoyed my world travels which over the last 9yrs have enabled me to live in 3 different countries.
I never left because i hated UK. Never did long term planning as to coming to Aus. We just did it because we could and we felt like it.
I like Sydney. I just dont want to be here anymore.
Overall, i dont like Australian culture and attitudes.
I use this place as my sounding board. A place to let off steam when, just like 100% of the human population, i have a bad day.
What i find incredibly hard to understand is people like you, who instead of getting on with your own life, planning YOUR future and doing what is best for YOU. Instead you, and a few others find some warped sense of amusement or entertainment to dog on other because they do not share your view. What are you frightened of? Frigthened we are pissing on your parade and making you doubt your judgement in moving?
I cant honestly see any other reason as to why you would want to come in here and say things like this.
Tell me. When people on the other forum moan and groan about not getting their visa. Moan about not being able to leave UK as quick as they like. Slag off the UK and generally are having a frustrated time, do you tell them they are moaners and not interested in reasoned debate?
No... thought not.
Jun 3rd 2007, 11:19 am
#94
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Re: australian people
Yes, i am miserable at the moment. My daugther is very sick, pregnant and in fear for her babies life and i am 12,000 miles away. I think thats a valid enough reason to be miserable right now.
Apart from this current crisis in our lives, i am actually very happy and optimistic. I am really looking forward to going home which excites me.
I have enjoyed my world travels which over the last 9yrs have enabled me to live in 3 different countries.
I never left because i hated UK. Never did long term planning as to coming to Aus. We just did it because we could and we felt like it.
I like Sydney. I just dont want to be here anymore.
Overall, i dont like Australian culture and attitudes.
I use this place as my sounding board. A place to let off steam when, just like 100% of the human population, i have a bad day.
What i find incredibly hard to understand is people like you, who instead of getting on with your own life, planning YOUR future and doing what is best for YOU. Instead you, and a few others find some warped sense of amusement or entertainment to dog on other because they do not share your view. What are you frightened of? Frigthened we are pissing on your parade and making you doubt your judgement in moving?
I cant honestly see any other reason as to why you would want to come in here and say things like this.
Tell me. When people on the other forum moan and groan about not getting their visa. Moan about not being able to leave UK as quick as they like. Slag off the UK and generally are having a frustrated time, do you tell them they are moaners and not interested in reasoned debate?
No... thought not.
Apart from this current crisis in our lives, i am actually very happy and optimistic. I am really looking forward to going home which excites me.
I have enjoyed my world travels which over the last 9yrs have enabled me to live in 3 different countries.
I never left because i hated UK. Never did long term planning as to coming to Aus. We just did it because we could and we felt like it.
I like Sydney. I just dont want to be here anymore.
Overall, i dont like Australian culture and attitudes.
I use this place as my sounding board. A place to let off steam when, just like 100% of the human population, i have a bad day.
What i find incredibly hard to understand is people like you, who instead of getting on with your own life, planning YOUR future and doing what is best for YOU. Instead you, and a few others find some warped sense of amusement or entertainment to dog on other because they do not share your view. What are you frightened of? Frigthened we are pissing on your parade and making you doubt your judgement in moving?
I cant honestly see any other reason as to why you would want to come in here and say things like this.
Tell me. When people on the other forum moan and groan about not getting their visa. Moan about not being able to leave UK as quick as they like. Slag off the UK and generally are having a frustrated time, do you tell them they are moaners and not interested in reasoned debate?
No... thought not.
Jun 3rd 2007, 9:52 pm
#95
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Re: australian people
If you'd bothered to read the post I was replying to...
...you'd see that I was just correcting somebody else's misinformation. It's a bit hypocritcal for Exile to criticize someone for not doing any research when he obviously hasn't done any himself.
And by the way, it's not 6% less tax paid - the reduction in tax is 5.9 percentage points, which is 15.8% less tax paid. So for every £1,000 you pay in the UK you'd pay £842 in Australia (on average).
And no, I'm not an accountant.
...you'd see that I was just correcting somebody else's misinformation. It's a bit hypocritcal for Exile to criticize someone for not doing any research when he obviously hasn't done any himself.
And by the way, it's not 6% less tax paid - the reduction in tax is 5.9 percentage points, which is 15.8% less tax paid. So for every £1,000 you pay in the UK you'd pay £842 in Australia (on average).
And no, I'm not an accountant.
Hmmm whatever. I'm still far better off financially in the UK
Jun 3rd 2007, 9:57 pm
#96
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Location: Kings Moss, UK - it's a bit like Emmerdale
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Re: australian people
Yes, i am miserable at the moment. My daugther is very sick, pregnant and in fear for her babies life and i am 12,000 miles away. I think thats a valid enough reason to be miserable right now.
Apart from this current crisis in our lives, i am actually very happy and optimistic. I am really looking forward to going home which excites me.
I have enjoyed my world travels which over the last 9yrs have enabled me to live in 3 different countries.
I never left because i hated UK. Never did long term planning as to coming to Aus. We just did it because we could and we felt like it.
I like Sydney. I just dont want to be here anymore.
Overall, i dont like Australian culture and attitudes.
I use this place as my sounding board. A place to let off steam when, just like 100% of the human population, i have a bad day.
What i find incredibly hard to understand is people like you, who instead of getting on with your own life, planning YOUR future and doing what is best for YOU. Instead you, and a few others find some warped sense of amusement or entertainment to dog on other because they do not share your view. What are you frightened of? Frigthened we are pissing on your parade and making you doubt your judgement in moving?
I cant honestly see any other reason as to why you would want to come in here and say things like this.
Tell me. When people on the other forum moan and groan about not getting their visa. Moan about not being able to leave UK as quick as they like. Slag off the UK and generally are having a frustrated time, do you tell them they are moaners and not interested in reasoned debate?
No... thought not.
Apart from this current crisis in our lives, i am actually very happy and optimistic. I am really looking forward to going home which excites me.
I have enjoyed my world travels which over the last 9yrs have enabled me to live in 3 different countries.
I never left because i hated UK. Never did long term planning as to coming to Aus. We just did it because we could and we felt like it.
I like Sydney. I just dont want to be here anymore.
Overall, i dont like Australian culture and attitudes.
I use this place as my sounding board. A place to let off steam when, just like 100% of the human population, i have a bad day.
What i find incredibly hard to understand is people like you, who instead of getting on with your own life, planning YOUR future and doing what is best for YOU. Instead you, and a few others find some warped sense of amusement or entertainment to dog on other because they do not share your view. What are you frightened of? Frigthened we are pissing on your parade and making you doubt your judgement in moving?
I cant honestly see any other reason as to why you would want to come in here and say things like this.
Tell me. When people on the other forum moan and groan about not getting their visa. Moan about not being able to leave UK as quick as they like. Slag off the UK and generally are having a frustrated time, do you tell them they are moaners and not interested in reasoned debate?
No... thought not.
Excellent post and so true
Jun 4th 2007, 2:07 am
#98
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Re: australian people
Yeah, sure, come to Australia, it's virtually tax-free living here.
Try looking at the personal income tax rates, which are of more relevance to most people than the GDP-derived figures. Look at how the marginal rates kick in (it's getting better, but if the socialists win the election that will change).
Australia has a punitive, progressive taxation system. A lot of people seem to take out more than they put in, but for those doing the paying, taxes are high.
In Perth, you need to make a fair bit more than the average income if you have kids. The government will be taking their 40% or so. Taxes are only low if you want to scrape by and claim all the benefits going.
Try looking at the personal income tax rates, which are of more relevance to most people than the GDP-derived figures. Look at how the marginal rates kick in (it's getting better, but if the socialists win the election that will change).
Australia has a punitive, progressive taxation system. A lot of people seem to take out more than they put in, but for those doing the paying, taxes are high.
In Perth, you need to make a fair bit more than the average income if you have kids. The government will be taking their 40% or so. Taxes are only low if you want to scrape by and claim all the benefits going.
Taxation in the UK is 37.4% of GDP - in Australia it's 31.5%. That's a significant difference. Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ta...otal-as-of-gdp
It's true that the income tax rates are fairly similar, but things like council tax, fuel excise, VAT, death duties, TV licence, etc. are much lower (or non-existent) in Oz.
It's true that the income tax rates are fairly similar, but things like council tax, fuel excise, VAT, death duties, TV licence, etc. are much lower (or non-existent) in Oz.
Jun 4th 2007, 2:13 am
#99
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Re: australian people
You are effectively saying come to Australia because taxes are lower. That is grossly stupid.
Why should I do research? I live here and have been paying it first hand for the last three years.
I can't be arsed to trawl up all the stats, and I'm sure you can drag up some more misleading figures. I'm not even saying taxes are significantly higher here than in the UK.
But to think of low taxes as a reason to come here is just plain deluded.
Jun 4th 2007, 9:20 am
#100
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Re: australian people
I do agree that lower taxation is not good reason to make the move to Australia.
Jun 4th 2007, 9:39 am
#101
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Re: australian people
If you say the word "fact" often enough and come up with a misleading link you found on google, it still doesn't make it correct.
Come to Australia everybody, taxes are lower
Come to Australia everybody, taxes are lower
That is not misinformation - they are just the facts.
I didn't say that anyone should come to Australia. In fact in a later post I said that many people are better off in the UK.
Okay, so you know the Oz tax system. But if you're going to compare it to the current situation in the UK, then without doing ANY research you are offering a totally uninformed opinion.
I wouldn't bother trawling up any stats to support your argument because you won't find any. You are just plain wrong.
I do agree that lower taxation is not good reason to make the move to Australia.
I didn't say that anyone should come to Australia. In fact in a later post I said that many people are better off in the UK.
Okay, so you know the Oz tax system. But if you're going to compare it to the current situation in the UK, then without doing ANY research you are offering a totally uninformed opinion.
I wouldn't bother trawling up any stats to support your argument because you won't find any. You are just plain wrong.
I do agree that lower taxation is not good reason to make the move to Australia.
Jun 4th 2007, 9:50 am
#102
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Re: australian people
And calling a link "misleading" often enough doesn't make it wrong. You've provided zero evidence for your argument, so I think we're both wasting our time here.
Jun 4th 2007, 10:15 am
#103
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Re: australian people
Your suggestion that the tax rate here is 6ppt lower than in the UK is not backed up by meaningful evidence. We should be talking about real incomes (and real people), not GDP. And incomes at levels that would give a migrant with children a decent life here.
This topic has been done to death on the other forum. Even the rose tinters concede that tax is higher here if you earn around $80k or more. That also factors in national insurance contributions in the UK.
You said you're not an accountant. I think that says it all.
And no, I don't think I'm wasting my time here as I'm considering moving back to the UK. What are you here for? Trying to defend Aussie honour?
Jun 4th 2007, 10:30 am
#104
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Re: australian people
I don't find it hard to imagine why these people are incapable of integrating into the Aussie way of life when all they do is insult others.
Jun 4th 2007, 10:52 am
#105
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Re: australian people
Yes, i am miserable at the moment. My daugther is very sick, pregnant and in fear for her babies life and i am 12,000 miles away. I think thats a valid enough reason to be miserable right now.
Apart from this current crisis in our lives, i am actually very happy and optimistic. I am really looking forward to going home which excites me.
I have enjoyed my world travels which over the last 9yrs have enabled me to live in 3 different countries.
I never left because i hated UK. Never did long term planning as to coming to Aus. We just did it because we could and we felt like it.
I like Sydney. I just dont want to be here anymore.
Overall, i dont like Australian culture and attitudes.
I use this place as my sounding board. A place to let off steam when, just like 100% of the human population, i have a bad day.
What i find incredibly hard to understand is people like you, who instead of getting on with your own life, planning YOUR future and doing what is best for YOU. Instead you, and a few others find some warped sense of amusement or entertainment to dog on other because they do not share your view. What are you frightened of? Frigthened we are pissing on your parade and making you doubt your judgement in moving?
I cant honestly see any other reason as to why you would want to come in here and say things like this.
Tell me. When people on the other forum moan and groan about not getting their visa. Moan about not being able to leave UK as quick as they like. Slag off the UK and generally are having a frustrated time, do you tell them they are moaners and not interested in reasoned debate?
No... thought not.
Apart from this current crisis in our lives, i am actually very happy and optimistic. I am really looking forward to going home which excites me.
I have enjoyed my world travels which over the last 9yrs have enabled me to live in 3 different countries.
I never left because i hated UK. Never did long term planning as to coming to Aus. We just did it because we could and we felt like it.
I like Sydney. I just dont want to be here anymore.
Overall, i dont like Australian culture and attitudes.
I use this place as my sounding board. A place to let off steam when, just like 100% of the human population, i have a bad day.
What i find incredibly hard to understand is people like you, who instead of getting on with your own life, planning YOUR future and doing what is best for YOU. Instead you, and a few others find some warped sense of amusement or entertainment to dog on other because they do not share your view. What are you frightened of? Frigthened we are pissing on your parade and making you doubt your judgement in moving?
I cant honestly see any other reason as to why you would want to come in here and say things like this.
Tell me. When people on the other forum moan and groan about not getting their visa. Moan about not being able to leave UK as quick as they like. Slag off the UK and generally are having a frustrated time, do you tell them they are moaners and not interested in reasoned debate?
No... thought not.
So many people on hear say they don't like the Aussie attitude or way of life, but how many of you moved their without ever visiting before, or did you simply go for a 2 week vacation. When I asked this before (which is a very relevant question) nobody really answered, instead of moaning and swearing, be constructive and answer relevant questions which is what this forum is also for.