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Old Sep 11th 2015, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by bats
Maybe there aren't enough lefty Molly coddling ways as they are outnumbered by right wing xenophobic intolerant uncompassionate ways.

These kids were raised under the leftie mollycoddling regime so that's not true

"The right to live among us". Being born and raised in Britain makes them us. Maybe if they had felt more included they wouldn't feel disgruntled. Have you considered that?
I have been saying they are British the whole time hence them having a 'right to live amonst us'. By 'us' I meant British law abiding citizens whether they are white/black/muslim/purple/jedi etc. but I suspect you knew that & just wanted an excuse to roll out the typical xenophobic, blah, blah, blah, labels.

Why are you defending terrorists? No wait, I know, it's because it's always someone else's fault.
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Old Sep 11th 2015, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
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All you did was quote figures, any fool can do that. I want a reputable unbiased source please.
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Originally Posted by not2old
thanks for that clarity

I always understood it to be that CIC is the mother hen of all those that want to come to Canada & that the CBSA was a dept under CIC, and that CBSA & the POE officers are one & the same as CBSA?

Interesting what you posted (from that I take as) that CIC is purely for those wanting to come to Canada through the conventional immigration (to live, work, play or study) route & that asylum or refugees are not handled at all by CIC... would that be correct?
Not quite. In the case of the Somalians or those making a refugee claim at an airport when arriving all the front end screening and paperwork is done by CBSA officers. The refugees are then normally released and told to appear for a hearing with the Immigration & Refugee Board. The person representing the Minister in such a case is called a Hearings Officer who is employed by guess who Yes you got it a CBSA officer. If their claim is granted then CIC will finish up the paperwork. If denied and a travel document can be obtained then the refugee is issued a Removal Order. If its of the opinion that this person is a flight risk or will not appear for removal they are detained. If its also the opinion that this person needs escorting back to wherever then its 2 x CBSA Inland Enforcement Officers who escort them back.
So CIC actually makes all the legislation regarding work, study, visit and refugee policies and only do this at the overseas offices. Anything at a POE is done by CBSA. As compensation for doing all this additional work when we were just Customs Officers and not doing Immigration they gave us a reclassification which upped our pay by about $3,000.
So needless to say if I am somewhat critical about certain CIC policies you now have a basic idea why.
I have nothing against CIC employees per se just some of the stupid policies they impose upon us who work at POE'S across the country.
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
These kids were raised under the leftie mollycoddling regime so that's not true
You mean the Brits who went to join ISIS? Raised under a left wing government?

When did that happen? Britain hasn't had a left wing government in decades.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
Terms like these need some reference point. Some context.

If you take the upper estimate of their number then to be consistent you have to take the upper estimate for the overall figure.

The upper figure of 2000 as a proportion of the upper figure of 100,000 is 2%.

If you take the 2000 Brits as a percentage of Brits in the UK it's even smaller.

A lot doesn't seem an accurate way to describe it.
So if 2000 Brits got abducted by aliens tomorrow would that not be described as 'a lot'? Or would we say 'only .001% of the population were abducted', putting in a 'well who cares is just a drop in the ocean' context?

If you saw 500 people standing in field would you not say 'hey there's a lot of people standing in that field'?
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Originally Posted by Tirytory
All you did was quote figures, any fool can do that. I want a reputable unbiased source please.
Are you volunteering to go out & do a head count? Maybe you can give them a cuddle while you're over there, I'm sure that's all that's needed to stop all this murdering nonsense

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Old Sep 11th 2015, 3:21 pm
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
You mean the Brits who went to join ISIS? Raised under a left wing government?

When did that happen? Britain hasn't had a left wing government in decades.
Who voted Satan in if it wasn't the lefties?
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
So if 2000 Brits got abducted by aliens tomorrow would that not be described as 'a lot'?
It would depend on how many were normally abducted . If yesterday 100,000 were abducted, no I wouldn't say 2000 was a lot.

If you saw 500 people standing in field would you not say 'hey there's a lot of people standing in that field'?
Yes. Because relative to the size of the field that would be a lot. It's not usual to see 500 standing in a field so it's a lot.

If it's a field at Glastonbury when the festival is on, then 500 in a field wouldn't be a lot because there are usually a lot more.

Context.
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
Are you volunteering to go out & do a head count? Maybe you can give them a cuddle while you're over there, I'm sure that's all that's needed to stop all this murdering nonsense
Hang on you started this topic... All I asked you to do was provide an unbiased reputable source to back up your assumption of all these terrorists raised in the UK? Clearly you are unable to do so and so have moved on to mockery... Well done you, aren't you clever.
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
Who voted Satan in if it wasn't the lefties?
Cameron you mean?

You're surely not suggesting Blair was supported by lefties? It's the lefties who want him tried for war crimes.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
It would depend on how many were normally abducted . If yesterday 100,000 were abducted, no I wouldn't say 2000 was a lot.


Yes. Because relative to the size of the field that would be a lot. It's not usual to see 500 standing in a field so it's a lot.

If it's a field at Glastonbury when the festival is on, then 500 in a field wouldn't be a lot because there are usually a lot more.

Context.
And depending on who the aliens abducted it might be considered too few and that they hadn't taken enough.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
It would depend on how many were normally abducted . If yesterday 100,000 were abducted, no I wouldn't say 2000 was a lot.


Yes. Because relative to the size of the field that would be a lot. It's not usual to see 500 standing in a field so it's a lot.

If it's a field at Glastonbury when the festival is on, then 500 in a field wouldn't be a lot because there are usually a lot more.

Context.
Using that logic you could say that last year one person joined ISIS but this year 500 people joined. As Tirytory pointed out (after I already had (slow clap)) we don't have official figures so who's to say what's correct.

Where does the context end & who decides what context to put it in?
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It's really a shame that there is so much paranoia that the Syrian refugees represent a serious terrorist risk. Newsflash: terrorists exist, foreign and homegrown, and rejecting a mass of homeless people is not going to change that. You can argue that you don't want to pay or you don't want the cultural impact, but arguing potential terrorism is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by BristolUK
Cameron you mean?

You're surely not suggesting Blair was supported by lefties? It's the lefties who want him tried for war crimes.
Maybe he used his evil ways to win. Who did the lefties vote for during that period, surely not the tories that would make them xenophobic Nazis. They must have been wondering around like lost little lambs.
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Originally Posted by confused_uk
Using that logic you could say that last year one person joined ISIS but this year 500 people joined. As Tirytory pointed out (after I already had (slow clap)) we don't have official figures so who's to say what's correct.

Where does the context end & who decides what context to put it in?
you can slow clap all you like, I haven't pointed anything out. I asked you to provide evidence to back up your assertion. I'm glad you're admitting that you were talking tripe in your original post. Progress
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