Syrian refugee crisis.
Sep 10th 2015, 1:48 pm
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Syrian refugee crisis.
Yes I know there is another thread about this but Im doing this one from my perspective and looking at it from another angle that isn't talked about.
Its not just Syria there are other countries involved like Somalia for example or the Sudan and quite a few other places.
Sure we all sympathize with their plight especially when we see pictures of children affected by this. They are the innocent ones along with the rest of their families HOWEVER there are those who we might not wish to have integrated into whatever countries we live in that are stable and great places to live in.
How many can Canada afford to take in and where do we relocate them to. Im guessing not many would choose Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, Thompson and a host of other places within Canada.
How do we screen these people who have no documents and we have no idea who they are or what their background is. The vast majority of refugees (not those chosen from UNHCR refugee camps) some would say almost all are allowed to make their claim once they arrive. They need to get medicals done and eventually are given work permits until their claim has been dealt with. if granted refugee status they then apply for PR status and eventually Canadian citizenship.
The vast majority move on to become productive members of society and indeed are thankful BUT there are those willing to not integrate or found to be not credible claimants or have committed serious crimes or indeed members of prescribed groups who will carry out their aims within Canada's borders. Yes I admit these numbers are only a small minority but the fact is they are already here or on their way and this is from experience not Harper fear mongering as others are claiming.
Yes we have our own citizens who commit horrendous crimes and we can't deport them but with those who are not Canadian citizens that is an option we have.
I have no problems with Canada accepting those who have been screened at UNHCR camps my problem is those who have NOT BEEN screened or it is very hard to do. Are ISIS posing as these refugees who knows but there are indications that they are.
Yes my view is somewhat different to others but its my opinion that we need to be somewhat careful and just not open the border to all and sundry. Those who choose not to register with the UNHCR or elect to make their own way to whatever country are the ones we should be concerned with to a degree.
There is no easy fix and no easy solution and yes we need to help but we should also be aware that there could be potential problems if we admit too many and what the costs will be to those unable to integrate etc etc.
Healthcare costs alone will skyrocket and is sufficient housing available?
I still haven't heard how many of these are destined to South American countries, China, Russia and the 5 richest Middle East countries i.e. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain who have accepted ZERO yes ZERO of these refugees.
Its not just Syria there are other countries involved like Somalia for example or the Sudan and quite a few other places.
Sure we all sympathize with their plight especially when we see pictures of children affected by this. They are the innocent ones along with the rest of their families HOWEVER there are those who we might not wish to have integrated into whatever countries we live in that are stable and great places to live in.
How many can Canada afford to take in and where do we relocate them to. Im guessing not many would choose Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, Thompson and a host of other places within Canada.
How do we screen these people who have no documents and we have no idea who they are or what their background is. The vast majority of refugees (not those chosen from UNHCR refugee camps) some would say almost all are allowed to make their claim once they arrive. They need to get medicals done and eventually are given work permits until their claim has been dealt with. if granted refugee status they then apply for PR status and eventually Canadian citizenship.
The vast majority move on to become productive members of society and indeed are thankful BUT there are those willing to not integrate or found to be not credible claimants or have committed serious crimes or indeed members of prescribed groups who will carry out their aims within Canada's borders. Yes I admit these numbers are only a small minority but the fact is they are already here or on their way and this is from experience not Harper fear mongering as others are claiming.
Yes we have our own citizens who commit horrendous crimes and we can't deport them but with those who are not Canadian citizens that is an option we have.
I have no problems with Canada accepting those who have been screened at UNHCR camps my problem is those who have NOT BEEN screened or it is very hard to do. Are ISIS posing as these refugees who knows but there are indications that they are.
Yes my view is somewhat different to others but its my opinion that we need to be somewhat careful and just not open the border to all and sundry. Those who choose not to register with the UNHCR or elect to make their own way to whatever country are the ones we should be concerned with to a degree.
There is no easy fix and no easy solution and yes we need to help but we should also be aware that there could be potential problems if we admit too many and what the costs will be to those unable to integrate etc etc.
Healthcare costs alone will skyrocket and is sufficient housing available?
I still haven't heard how many of these are destined to South American countries, China, Russia and the 5 richest Middle East countries i.e. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain who have accepted ZERO yes ZERO of these refugees.
Sep 10th 2015, 2:28 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
My view is that in just one summer, ISIS has established the nucleus of an Islamic caliphate in Europe, even the most pessimistic of folk could not have envisioned this in such a short time.
I agree that there are far more genuine people in need and should and will be accepted as refugees, but we are not to know with any certainty at this time, how the second and third generation decendent of a refugee will act when they live in a secular or Christian country, that they feel is not a place they wish to live in harmony with others. What a bloody mess this is.
I agree that there are far more genuine people in need and should and will be accepted as refugees, but we are not to know with any certainty at this time, how the second and third generation decendent of a refugee will act when they live in a secular or Christian country, that they feel is not a place they wish to live in harmony with others. What a bloody mess this is.
Sep 10th 2015, 3:03 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
As Canada has no easy route of access that can bypass the boarder you have a choice
Its those European countries that have been in effect invaded, the boarder controls bypassed that now have to live with this issue...
the talk of distribution fairly of these people within the EU is nice, but as they have shown, they'll walk to where they want to be and boarders are no issue...
it is many things... but one is clear its a mess and one that can't be easily tidied up
Its those European countries that have been in effect invaded, the boarder controls bypassed that now have to live with this issue...
the talk of distribution fairly of these people within the EU is nice, but as they have shown, they'll walk to where they want to be and boarders are no issue...
it is many things... but one is clear its a mess and one that can't be easily tidied up
Sep 10th 2015, 3:12 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Yes I know there is another thread about this but Im doing this one from my perspective and looking at it from another angle that isn't talked about.
Its not just Syria there are other countries involved like Somalia for example or the Sudan and quite a few other places.
Sure we all sympathize with their plight especially when we see pictures of children affected by this. They are the innocent ones along with the rest of their families HOWEVER there are those who we might not wish to have integrated into whatever countries we live in that are stable and great places to live in.
How many can Canada afford to take in and where do we relocate them to. Im guessing not many would choose Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, Thompson and a host of other places within Canada.
How do we screen these people who have no documents and we have no idea who they are or what their background is. The vast majority of refugees (not those chosen from UNHCR refugee camps) some would say almost all are allowed to make their claim once they arrive. They need to get medicals done and eventually are given work permits until their claim has been dealt with. if granted refugee status they then apply for PR status and eventually Canadian citizenship.
The vast majority move on to become productive members of society and indeed are thankful BUT there are those willing to not integrate or found to be not credible claimants or have committed serious crimes or indeed members of prescribed groups who will carry out their aims within Canada's borders. Yes I admit these numbers are only a small minority but the fact is they are already here or on their way and this is from experience not Harper fear mongering as others are claiming.
Yes we have our own citizens who commit horrendous crimes and we can't deport them but with those who are not Canadian citizens that is an option we have.
I have no problems with Canada accepting those who have been screened at UNHCR camps my problem is those who have NOT BEEN screened or it is very hard to do. Are ISIS posing as these refugees who knows but there are indications that they are.
Yes my view is somewhat different to others but its my opinion that we need to be somewhat careful and just not open the border to all and sundry. Those who choose not to register with the UNHCR or elect to make their own way to whatever country are the ones we should be concerned with to a degree.
There is no easy fix and no easy solution and yes we need to help but we should also be aware that there could be potential problems if we admit too many and what the costs will be to those unable to integrate etc etc.
Healthcare costs alone will skyrocket and is sufficient housing available?
I still haven't heard how many of these are destined to South American countries, China, Russia and the 5 richest Middle East countries i.e. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain who have accepted ZERO yes ZERO of these refugees.
Its not just Syria there are other countries involved like Somalia for example or the Sudan and quite a few other places.
Sure we all sympathize with their plight especially when we see pictures of children affected by this. They are the innocent ones along with the rest of their families HOWEVER there are those who we might not wish to have integrated into whatever countries we live in that are stable and great places to live in.
How many can Canada afford to take in and where do we relocate them to. Im guessing not many would choose Iqaluit, Rankin Inlet, Thompson and a host of other places within Canada.
How do we screen these people who have no documents and we have no idea who they are or what their background is. The vast majority of refugees (not those chosen from UNHCR refugee camps) some would say almost all are allowed to make their claim once they arrive. They need to get medicals done and eventually are given work permits until their claim has been dealt with. if granted refugee status they then apply for PR status and eventually Canadian citizenship.
The vast majority move on to become productive members of society and indeed are thankful BUT there are those willing to not integrate or found to be not credible claimants or have committed serious crimes or indeed members of prescribed groups who will carry out their aims within Canada's borders. Yes I admit these numbers are only a small minority but the fact is they are already here or on their way and this is from experience not Harper fear mongering as others are claiming.
Yes we have our own citizens who commit horrendous crimes and we can't deport them but with those who are not Canadian citizens that is an option we have.
I have no problems with Canada accepting those who have been screened at UNHCR camps my problem is those who have NOT BEEN screened or it is very hard to do. Are ISIS posing as these refugees who knows but there are indications that they are.
Yes my view is somewhat different to others but its my opinion that we need to be somewhat careful and just not open the border to all and sundry. Those who choose not to register with the UNHCR or elect to make their own way to whatever country are the ones we should be concerned with to a degree.
There is no easy fix and no easy solution and yes we need to help but we should also be aware that there could be potential problems if we admit too many and what the costs will be to those unable to integrate etc etc.
Healthcare costs alone will skyrocket and is sufficient housing available?
I still haven't heard how many of these are destined to South American countries, China, Russia and the 5 richest Middle East countries i.e. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain who have accepted ZERO yes ZERO of these refugees.
Why on earth do we need a second thread on this?????
Sep 10th 2015, 3:30 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
They just want to look good and pretend they are concerned without thinking of the ramifications that could ensue if we accept these people without proper screening.
I have heard talk from all the Premiers saying we can accept 5,000 in our Province but not one has put a definitive plan forward as to how they will be integrated and will the Provinces be paying or be expecting the Feds to pay for it all as last time I checked all Provinces are mired in substantial debt.
As has been said before its easy to spend other peoples money. And you seriously don't believe this is not a problem that cannot be easily solved but words will solve it?
Sep 10th 2015, 3:34 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
If there's one thing that this has shown it's that 'economic migrants' are NOT all desperate to get to "soft touch" UK.
Sep 10th 2015, 3:40 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
You come back after not posting for a while and FL is still making all topics about his job. This must be what it's like to have seen Yes in concert, probably.
Sep 10th 2015, 3:43 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Syrians resettled in Uruguay: We want to go back - CNN.com
So what is it exactly they want? These were offered protection well before the events over the last month and today and tomorrow yet still want to go back.
Isn't Uruguay safer than Syria?
Sep 10th 2015, 3:44 pm
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Sep 10th 2015, 3:44 pm
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
As an expert, exactly how many Syrians have turned up at Canada's border claiming asylum?
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Sep 10th 2015, 3:52 pm
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I have no idea how many will or won't turn up and neither does anyone else as they don't give us a heads up. Im sure many have families within Canada and will now make their way from Europe to Canada and make a claim be it on genuine or false documents.
I have no problem with those coming from the UNHCR camps who have been screened and vetted.
Sep 10th 2015, 4:05 pm
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