Syrian refugee crisis.
Sep 11th 2015 | 10:41 am
#136
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I know the top story on the BBC news website is a bit obscure and hard to find, so here you go:
Mecca crane collapse: 107 dead at Saudi Arabia's Grand Mosque - BBC News
Mecca crane collapse: 107 dead at Saudi Arabia's Grand Mosque - BBC News
Sep 11th 2015 | 11:47 am
#137
Dive Bar Drunk
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,671
From: Toronto
Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
My view is that the cultural incompatibilities are driven by religious differences, and that only by phasing out religion will we achieve some kind of multi-cultural harmony. I find the idea of a mosque building program retrograde, especially when Britain and other European nations have been doing so well at converting unused churches into flats.
No more places of worship required unless worshipers are happy to front the cash and go through the process.
Canada is a passive aggressive place full of many tensions. However immigration and terrorism are not amongst the worries.
Sep 11th 2015 | 12:39 pm
#138
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I have been saying they are British the whole time hence them having a 'right to live amonst us'. By 'us' I meant British law abiding citizens whether they are white/black/muslim/purple/jedi etc. but I suspect you knew that & just wanted an excuse to roll out the typical xenophobic, blah, blah, blah, labels.
Why are you defending terrorists? No wait, I know, it's because it's always someone else's fault.
Why are you defending terrorists? No wait, I know, it's because it's always someone else's fault.
Sep 11th 2015 | 12:41 pm
#139
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
This thread seems to be mired in off-topic comments and personal pot-shots so here are some FACTS that might put in perspective the demands for Canada to accept more migrants.
1. More than half of Canadians have less than $10,000 set aside for emergencies.
2. Just over 30% of household units in Canada are rentals. 40% of renters are paying more than 30% of their gross (before tax) income in rent. Almost 20% are paying more than half their gross income in rent. Rentals in BC are especially high not only in Vancouver but in small towns such as Duncan. The Greater Toronto area is also very expensive.
3. Oil prices have fallen to around $45 a barrel and are projected to sink to as low as $20 a barrel. This has a profoundly adverse effect not only on Alberta but on Canada as a whole.
4. The Canadian dollar is hovering at around 75 cents US. Canada imports much of its food from the US, notably produce. The cost of some items has already increased by as much as 35%.
5. Drought and forest fires have hit western Canada hard. The prolonged drought in California (a prime source of produce for Canada) is driving prices up sharply. Provinces dependent on hydro electricity will be adversely affected as river levels fall.
6. Homelessness is a serious problem in all Canadian cities with at least 200,000 people using a homeless shelter at some point in any given year and at least another 50,000 "hidden homeless" finding temporary shelter with friends or relatives.
7. While geographically Canada is a large country, much of it is not capable of carrying a higher population density without continued influx of food and energy from elsewhere. With subzero temperatures most of the year, huge areas in central and northern Canada are thinly populated. With the drought extending across BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba and the destruction of vast areas by forest fire, large parts of these provinces will not support any significant population.
Given these facts, there is little foundation for the assumption that Canada is a huge, rich country with unlimited resources and well able to take on the responsibility for the care of endless numbers of migrants from other countries. Amidst all the emotional babble and media manipulation, mercifully there are a few level-heads who believe that our first responsibility is to deal with the economic and social problems Canada already has. With more than half the people in Canada living from paycheque to paycheque, any increase in taxes whether at the federal or provincial level in order to subsidise more migrants is going to create a public outcry and refusal to pay.
If anyone wants to hear some facts on what Canada has already done to help migrants, tune in to Jason Kenney's interview today on CTV's "Power Play".
BTW I do not indulge in or respond to personal attacks.
1. More than half of Canadians have less than $10,000 set aside for emergencies.
2. Just over 30% of household units in Canada are rentals. 40% of renters are paying more than 30% of their gross (before tax) income in rent. Almost 20% are paying more than half their gross income in rent. Rentals in BC are especially high not only in Vancouver but in small towns such as Duncan. The Greater Toronto area is also very expensive.
3. Oil prices have fallen to around $45 a barrel and are projected to sink to as low as $20 a barrel. This has a profoundly adverse effect not only on Alberta but on Canada as a whole.
4. The Canadian dollar is hovering at around 75 cents US. Canada imports much of its food from the US, notably produce. The cost of some items has already increased by as much as 35%.
5. Drought and forest fires have hit western Canada hard. The prolonged drought in California (a prime source of produce for Canada) is driving prices up sharply. Provinces dependent on hydro electricity will be adversely affected as river levels fall.
6. Homelessness is a serious problem in all Canadian cities with at least 200,000 people using a homeless shelter at some point in any given year and at least another 50,000 "hidden homeless" finding temporary shelter with friends or relatives.
7. While geographically Canada is a large country, much of it is not capable of carrying a higher population density without continued influx of food and energy from elsewhere. With subzero temperatures most of the year, huge areas in central and northern Canada are thinly populated. With the drought extending across BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba and the destruction of vast areas by forest fire, large parts of these provinces will not support any significant population.
Given these facts, there is little foundation for the assumption that Canada is a huge, rich country with unlimited resources and well able to take on the responsibility for the care of endless numbers of migrants from other countries. Amidst all the emotional babble and media manipulation, mercifully there are a few level-heads who believe that our first responsibility is to deal with the economic and social problems Canada already has. With more than half the people in Canada living from paycheque to paycheque, any increase in taxes whether at the federal or provincial level in order to subsidise more migrants is going to create a public outcry and refusal to pay.
If anyone wants to hear some facts on what Canada has already done to help migrants, tune in to Jason Kenney's interview today on CTV's "Power Play".
BTW I do not indulge in or respond to personal attacks.
Sep 11th 2015 | 12:43 pm
#140
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From: Regina Saskatchewan
Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
My refugee mom.
Sep 11th 2015 | 1:18 pm
#141
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Also googled it, if you get past the DM article others are saying 1500/2000+. No one knows the exact numbers. I stand by my 'a lot' statement, even if it's 500 that's still a lot of disgruntled western hating people who have the right to live amongst us considering the damage just one can do.
Maybe there aren't enough lefty Molly coddling ways as they are outnumbered by right wing xenophobic intolerant uncompassionate ways.
"The right to live among us". Being born and raised in Britain makes them us. Maybe if they had felt more included they wouldn't feel disgruntled. Have you considered that?
"The right to live among us". Being born and raised in Britain makes them us. Maybe if they had felt more included they wouldn't feel disgruntled. Have you considered that?
Sep 11th 2015 | 2:16 pm
#144
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From: Regina Saskatchewan
Sep 11th 2015 | 3:44 pm
#145
Realist
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 24,667
From: UK
Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
This thread seems to be mired in off-topic comments and personal pot-shots so here are some FACTS that might put in perspective the demands for Canada to accept more migrants.
1. More than half of Canadians have less than $10,000 set aside for emergencies.
2. Just over 30% of household units in Canada are rentals. 40% of renters are paying more than 30% of their gross (before tax) income in rent. Almost 20% are paying more than half their gross income in rent. Rentals in BC are especially high not only in Vancouver but in small towns such as Duncan. The Greater Toronto area is also very expensive.
3. Oil prices have fallen to around $45 a barrel and are projected to sink to as low as $20 a barrel. This has a profoundly adverse effect not only on Alberta but on Canada as a whole.
4. The Canadian dollar is hovering at around 75 cents US. Canada imports much of its food from the US, notably produce. The cost of some items has already increased by as much as 35%.
5. Drought and forest fires have hit western Canada hard. The prolonged drought in California (a prime source of produce for Canada) is driving prices up sharply. Provinces dependent on hydro electricity will be adversely affected as river levels fall.
6. Homelessness is a serious problem in all Canadian cities with at least 200,000 people using a homeless shelter at some point in any given year and at least another 50,000 "hidden homeless" finding temporary shelter with friends or relatives.
7. While geographically Canada is a large country, much of it is not capable of carrying a higher population density without continued influx of food and energy from elsewhere. With subzero temperatures most of the year, huge areas in central and northern Canada are thinly populated. With the drought extending across BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba and the destruction of vast areas by forest fire, large parts of these provinces will not support any significant population.
Given these facts, there is little foundation for the assumption that Canada is a huge, rich country with unlimited resources and well able to take on the responsibility for the care of endless numbers of migrants from other countries. Amidst all the emotional babble and media manipulation, mercifully there are a few level-heads who believe that our first responsibility is to deal with the economic and social problems Canada already has. With more than half the people in Canada living from paycheque to paycheque, any increase in taxes whether at the federal or provincial level in order to subsidise more migrants is going to create a public outcry and refusal to pay.
If anyone wants to hear some facts on what Canada has already done to help migrants, tune in to Jason Kenney's interview today on CTV's "Power Play".
BTW I do not indulge in or respond to personal attacks.
1. More than half of Canadians have less than $10,000 set aside for emergencies.
2. Just over 30% of household units in Canada are rentals. 40% of renters are paying more than 30% of their gross (before tax) income in rent. Almost 20% are paying more than half their gross income in rent. Rentals in BC are especially high not only in Vancouver but in small towns such as Duncan. The Greater Toronto area is also very expensive.
3. Oil prices have fallen to around $45 a barrel and are projected to sink to as low as $20 a barrel. This has a profoundly adverse effect not only on Alberta but on Canada as a whole.
4. The Canadian dollar is hovering at around 75 cents US. Canada imports much of its food from the US, notably produce. The cost of some items has already increased by as much as 35%.
5. Drought and forest fires have hit western Canada hard. The prolonged drought in California (a prime source of produce for Canada) is driving prices up sharply. Provinces dependent on hydro electricity will be adversely affected as river levels fall.
6. Homelessness is a serious problem in all Canadian cities with at least 200,000 people using a homeless shelter at some point in any given year and at least another 50,000 "hidden homeless" finding temporary shelter with friends or relatives.
7. While geographically Canada is a large country, much of it is not capable of carrying a higher population density without continued influx of food and energy from elsewhere. With subzero temperatures most of the year, huge areas in central and northern Canada are thinly populated. With the drought extending across BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba and the destruction of vast areas by forest fire, large parts of these provinces will not support any significant population.
Given these facts, there is little foundation for the assumption that Canada is a huge, rich country with unlimited resources and well able to take on the responsibility for the care of endless numbers of migrants from other countries. Amidst all the emotional babble and media manipulation, mercifully there are a few level-heads who believe that our first responsibility is to deal with the economic and social problems Canada already has. With more than half the people in Canada living from paycheque to paycheque, any increase in taxes whether at the federal or provincial level in order to subsidise more migrants is going to create a public outcry and refusal to pay.
If anyone wants to hear some facts on what Canada has already done to help migrants, tune in to Jason Kenney's interview today on CTV's "Power Play".
BTW I do not indulge in or respond to personal attacks.
Sep 11th 2015 | 5:15 pm
#146
limey party pooper
Joined: Jul 2012
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Couldn't see anything there about defending terrorists. Nope. Offering suggestions as to why they might have become terrorists is not the same as defending their actions.
Sep 11th 2015 | 11:36 pm
#149
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Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 6,700
From: Ontario, Canada
Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Shard your response to post# 139
Shard all of those points in post #139 are valid as to why Canada should not take in even one refugee.
From what was posted up thread yesterday [national debt] as well as how Canadians have a personal debt that matches the federal governments debt, that we, each of us (every man, woman & child) in Canada is on the hook for $17,000+ of that national debt, that $20 billion + on defense spending, another $3 billion+ in foreign aid. We have our own domestic moral & welfare issue to deal with without thinking about or considering (as taxpayers) on bringing in more freeloaders.
One point though is that Canada does have enough space to take in as many refugees as it can fit in the villages, towns & cities across Canada, only problem is 'where do they live, who gives them shelter and lastly who pays for it all?
Zero refugees on my taxpayer dollar, but for anyone out there that wants to do the personal sponsorship of a refugee - pay every single cost to house, feed, clothe, all the medical care etc for 5 years, then I'm OK with that - just not on my dollar bill
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From what was posted up thread yesterday [national debt] as well as how Canadians have a personal debt that matches the federal governments debt, that we, each of us (every man, woman & child) in Canada is on the hook for $17,000+ of that national debt, that $20 billion + on defense spending, another $3 billion+ in foreign aid. We have our own domestic moral & welfare issue to deal with without thinking about or considering (as taxpayers) on bringing in more freeloaders.
One point though is that Canada does have enough space to take in as many refugees as it can fit in the villages, towns & cities across Canada, only problem is 'where do they live, who gives them shelter and lastly who pays for it all?
Zero refugees on my taxpayer dollar, but for anyone out there that wants to do the personal sponsorship of a refugee - pay every single cost to house, feed, clothe, all the medical care etc for 5 years, then I'm OK with that - just not on my dollar bill
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Sep 11th 2015 | 11:48 pm
#150
Realist
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 24,667
From: UK
Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Shard your response to post# 139
Shard all of those points in post #139 are valid as to why Canada should not take in even one refugee.
From what was posted up thread yesterday [national debt] as well as how Canadians have a personal debt that matches the federal governments debt, that we, each of us (every man, woman & child) in Canada is on the hook for $17,000+ of that national debt, that $20 billion + on defense spending, another $3 billion+ in foreign aid. We have our own domestic moral & welfare issue to deal with without thinking about or considering (as taxpayers) on bringing in more freeloaders.
One point though is that Canada does have enough space to take in as many refugees as it can fit in the villages, towns & cities across Canada, only problem is 'where do they live, who gives them shelter and lastly who pays for it all?
Zero refugees on my taxpayer dollar, but for anyone out there that wants to do the personal sponsorship of a refugee - pay every single cost to house, feed, clothe, all the medical care etc for 5 years, then I'm OK with that - just not on my dollar bill
.
Shard all of those points in post #139 are valid as to why Canada should not take in even one refugee.
From what was posted up thread yesterday [national debt] as well as how Canadians have a personal debt that matches the federal governments debt, that we, each of us (every man, woman & child) in Canada is on the hook for $17,000+ of that national debt, that $20 billion + on defense spending, another $3 billion+ in foreign aid. We have our own domestic moral & welfare issue to deal with without thinking about or considering (as taxpayers) on bringing in more freeloaders.
One point though is that Canada does have enough space to take in as many refugees as it can fit in the villages, towns & cities across Canada, only problem is 'where do they live, who gives them shelter and lastly who pays for it all?
Zero refugees on my taxpayer dollar, but for anyone out there that wants to do the personal sponsorship of a refugee - pay every single cost to house, feed, clothe, all the medical care etc for 5 years, then I'm OK with that - just not on my dollar bill
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Can you not see the ludicrous line of reasoning: Canadians (presumably housed, fed and with a SUV or two) have "less than $10000 set aside) are somehow beyond helping fellow humans with no house, no food, no job, no education, no life, and a good possibility of being killed if forced back into their homeland. These people will not be a burden to society, they will start business, get jobs, get educated, it's not a negative sum game as some seem to suggest. This is a big picture issue, which a responsible and moral government could sort out. As I mentioned up thread, Canada's intake could be in the 100,000's. Reducing it to the $ impact on someone's savings account or the cost of airfare is not the way to assess this issue.
History shows airlift could move migrants to Canada quickly | Toronto Star
