Syrian refugee crisis.
Jan 6th 2016 | 7:05 pm
#871
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Following the events in Cologne the German Federal Interior Minister has proposed making it easier to deport criminal asylum seekers, however its reported that the SPD which is the junior partner in the German government has rejected making it easier to deport criminal asylum seekers. Putting aside for a moment its probably a meaningless platitude from a politician and taking the statement at face value, 2 points jump to my mind.
First by taking that position the SPD could be committing political suicide and secondly I get the impression that if criminal migrants/asylums seekers are not deported very quickly and the population protected the whole asylum system will collapse anyway under public pressure so the SPD aren't doing the refugees of the world any favours in the long term by taking that position.
First by taking that position the SPD could be committing political suicide and secondly I get the impression that if criminal migrants/asylums seekers are not deported very quickly and the population protected the whole asylum system will collapse anyway under public pressure so the SPD aren't doing the refugees of the world any favours in the long term by taking that position.
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Jan 6th 2016 | 7:20 pm
#872
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
...IMHO its a case of we gave you a chance... you blew it
I'm not yet ready to just turn them around, if we gave them asylum, or helped them get here (therefore excluding those that illegally walked over a border) we owe them the chance to integrate and join our societies
those that choose not too can look elsewhere
and I don't care which deity or idol they choose to talk to in there spare time, we have enough loonies of our own talking to fairies and praying to hold that against anybody
Jan 6th 2016 | 7:39 pm
#873
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Or could I put it another way
When you have people who have ignored international bordersand used illegal people smugglers to get to their prefer destination, why do you expect them to follow your locallaws and behaviours
They’ve already let you know they’ll ignore what inconvenient to them
When you have people who have ignored international bordersand used illegal people smugglers to get to their prefer destination, why do you expect them to follow your locallaws and behaviours
They’ve already let you know they’ll ignore what inconvenient to them
Jan 6th 2016 | 7:48 pm
#874
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I've heard that a problem for people in idp camps in Kurdistan is that Iraq has a two-tier healthcare system, what Conservative parties call a public/private partnership. Many people who are now in the camps once had the income to pay for the higher tier but now have to do with the basic one. This means that, while emergency care is available to all, support for chronic conditions is not, so, for example, insulin dependent diabetics, are treated when hyperglycaemic but have no treatment plan, so they go from hospital to camp to hospital again.
I realize that this anecdote lacks drama but that's the point. The impression I have from frequent correspondence with someone working in an idp camp is that, far from being a hotbed of terrorist fanaticism, it's a place full of people who didn't see it coming. Its as if the population of Surbiton were to be interned, dentists, bank managers, petty thieves, dolescum and all. It seems to me that finding 25,000 worthy candidates for life in Canada among all those displaced people should be no trouble at all.
I realize that this anecdote lacks drama but that's the point. The impression I have from frequent correspondence with someone working in an idp camp is that, far from being a hotbed of terrorist fanaticism, it's a place full of people who didn't see it coming. Its as if the population of Surbiton were to be interned, dentists, bank managers, petty thieves, dolescum and all. It seems to me that finding 25,000 worthy candidates for life in Canada among all those displaced people should be no trouble at all.
Syrians or Surbitons...I know who I'd choose.
Jan 6th 2016 | 10:31 pm
#875
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
the latest on the Cologne attacks
Suspects in Cologne sex attacks 'claimed to be Syrian refugees' - Telegraph
Suspects in Cologne sex attacks 'claimed to be Syrian refugees' - Telegraph
Jan 6th 2016 | 11:32 pm
#876
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
But given what most of these people have been through - being bombed, shot at by two or three 'sides', threatened with slavery, enforced recruitment into fighting or death, being thrown off buildings, being stoned and all sorts of atrocities and indignities.....well 'inconvenient' is a strange word to use to describe the means of escape from that sort of 'life' don't you think?
It's a bit like having a go at someone for exceeding the speed limit in their car while being chased and shot at by a car full of murderers.
Jan 7th 2016 | 12:11 am
#877
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Jan 7th 2016 | 12:41 am
#878
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
I don't think many would disagree with your comments about giving people a fair chance or even the religion part. But given what most of these people have been through - being bombed, shot at by two or three 'sides', threatened with slavery, enforced recruitment into fighting or death, being thrown off buildings, being stoned and all sorts of atrocities and indignities.....well 'inconvenient' is a strange word to use to describe the means of escape from that sort of 'life' don't you think? It's a bit like having a go at someone for exceeding the speed limit in their car while being chased and shot at by a car full of murderers.
but not very applicable for looking for better job and nicer standard of living
which is the case for a significant number...
and from what I remember of the 'law' it's never really been open for personal interpretation not matter how bad you've got it
Jan 7th 2016 | 12:43 am
#879
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
It's a bit like having a go at someone for exceeding the speed limit in their car for being late for work
Jan 7th 2016 | 12:55 am
#880
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
In the 2 scenarios is the vehicle owned by the driver or stolen?
Very few refugees would have enough money to have a vehicle whereas the economic migrants is a different matter.
Looks like Angela Merkel or new #AngelaAkbar is reconsidering her stance
"It is very important to me that we achieve both a noticeable reduction in the flow of refugees ... and at the same time preserve the free movement of people within the European Union," she told reporters at a conference of her Bavarian allies, the Christian Social Union (CSU).
So who are the true refugees and who are the economic migrants?
The 'Schengen zone' allows free movement across 26 European countries, as well as Iceland, Norway and Switzerland. These people we could argue are not refugees but many do claim refugee status. Even Canada gets claims from US and UK citizens go figure eh.
Very few refugees would have enough money to have a vehicle whereas the economic migrants is a different matter.
Looks like Angela Merkel or new #AngelaAkbar is reconsidering her stance
"It is very important to me that we achieve both a noticeable reduction in the flow of refugees ... and at the same time preserve the free movement of people within the European Union," she told reporters at a conference of her Bavarian allies, the Christian Social Union (CSU).
So who are the true refugees and who are the economic migrants?
The 'Schengen zone' allows free movement across 26 European countries, as well as Iceland, Norway and Switzerland. These people we could argue are not refugees but many do claim refugee status. Even Canada gets claims from US and UK citizens go figure eh.
Jan 7th 2016 | 1:45 am
#882
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
And it doesn't follow that, because someone is a refugee, they have no money. I understand that, each morning, fleets of minibuses and taxis turn up at the camps to take people to work. Most are stuck with manual labour but some are able to use their actual skills (presumably at lower than market rates of pay) and some people have set up businesses inside the camps. Some refugees will have assets that they held abroad and some will have gold teeth to sell.
Most will be brassic, of course.
Jan 7th 2016 | 1:58 am
#883
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Jan 7th 2016 | 2:06 am
#884
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
It's not about a Syrian, and it's not about Canada (or the UK, or Germany for that matter) but given the attitude of successive Australian governments towards refugees and other assorted undocumented immigrants, I thought this ad (discussed and commended on CBC radio this morning) was rather well done:
Jan 7th 2016 | 2:07 am
#885
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Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
We also have Protected Persons who basically make a claim entering Canada legally or illegally and the IRB decide if they are a Protected Person as per section
97 of IRPA.
Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
I just recently spoke with a UK citizen who legally entered on a British Passport and then several days later made a refugee claim under section 97 on the grounds that the UK was discriminating against him due to his sexual orientation. He was definitely male but not sure if he was a male or female.
Who knows how the IRB will decide this case or if he has abandoned his claim and gone back to the UK or is still in Canada.
So a Protected Person can also be a refugee or found to be a Protected Person.
Is that clearer?
