Seems to me that you're like 'the Flying Dutchman' destined to move from place to place forever, having become a refugee yourself. Perhaps when you become tired of this you might find that Gateshead will offer you a safe harbour.. or even Sunderland...

No. We've owned a house in Normandy for 8 years now and are in the process of buying a "lock-up-and-leave" apartment in Newcastle. I don't think of myself as a refugee (thank Dog).

To be fair... most of these things are the crutches that they will rely on along the way to integration
Just as many of these things will be an asset to integration, a few will become the roots and foundations that will help create the feeling of isolation with a foreign environment....
I believe whole heartedly in secularism, but as we know on here we still have many in our western culture that believe in gods and divine intervention, why should we expect those from the third world to make an intellectual jump many in our first world struggle to make
Islam is part of the package you are accepting, most of it good, but its still primitive enough in some forms to carry medieval zealots within it !
My question would be what do we (the west) get in the deal to offset the damage created by the fewI see costs and expenses, but I don't see much reward

Well secularism is different from atheism (but needless to say, I am a strong proponent of both). The refugees come in on humanitarian grounds (they are fellow humans in dire need) and ideology comes later. I know you don't distinguish between refugees and migrants, but for those of us that do, that's the rationale. And moral obligation from interfering, yada, yada, yada. We've flogged this horse before.

Exactly, if Germany is going to be short of workers there is plenty of people in the world willing to move to Germany who won't bring medieval baggage with them and are much less likely to carry out mass murder.

Steady on !

You're probably right but the general principle applies.

The general principle being that what? That people from countries that have been the source of deranged mass shooters shouldn't be allowed to move to Europe?

I'm no fan of American cultural imperialism but that seems a bit drastic.

(and I'm assuming here that the Paris shooters were Syrians, if they were not then I'm not seeing any connection between the thread header and mass murder.)

But if we accept that there is a mix of refugee and migrant
how do you decide when to interfere and when not too.....

There is a mix, that's beyond contention. The point is that European countries need to be less accommodating on incompatible culture. Too many relativists on the Left, and that is what incubates the problems. As I noted above, dismantling the architecture of divisive beliefs would be a start. There should be no Saudi funded madrasas in the UK for example. We've been slow to recognise the cultural threat, but slowly it is becoming more evident.

Totally agree !

Send them home !!

And what would you do with the Syrian families recently arrived in Quebec?

Here's a tip to help you answer. They're Christians.

I came close to falling out with my BIL at Xmas over this issue. I have two neighbours from out that way. One from the Lebanon; the other from Iran. They both legged it for fairly obvious reasons. My BIL asked what they had done for a living in their home countries.

"Make bombs"?

I bit my tongue and let my missus go at him.

Joe and Hossein are two of the nicest and most decent blokes you'll ever meet.

The first Syrian family (from the new intake) that arrived in Moncton over the weekend spent the last three years in a refugee camp in Lebanon.

I heard a report on CBC the other night about a refugee camp in Kenya where Somalis and a few others are stuck. Annual numbers being resettled around the world are fewer than births every two months.

Many have been there for years since birth and it's all they've known.

A bit like Canada, the US and the UK then?

I've heard that a problem for people in idp camps in Kurdistan is that Iraq has a two-tier healthcare system, what Conservative parties call a public/private partnership. Many people who are now in the camps once had the income to pay for the higher tier but now have to do with the basic one. This means that, while emergency care is available to all, support for chronic conditions is not, so, for example, insulin dependent diabetics, are treated when hyperglycaemic but have no treatment plan, so they go from hospital to camp to hospital again.

I realize that this anecdote lacks drama but that's the point. The impression I have from frequent correspondence with someone working in an idp camp is that, far from being a hotbed of terrorist fanaticism, it's a place full of people who didn't see it coming. Its as if the population of Surbiton were to be interned, dentists, bank managers, petty thieves, dolescum and all. It seems to me that finding 25,000 worthy candidates for life in Canada among all those displaced people should be no trouble at all.