Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 11828991)

I've posted more than once that the political branch of humanity is self serving, thoughtless and ignorant.
When I first heard that Merkel had announced an open door policy to syrian refugees I thought the woman was mad and completely lacking foresight. Putting aside the rights or wrongs of the policy, the inevitable consequences of such a decision were blindingly obvious to me. I wasn't in the least surprised when every man and his dog from just about everywhere decided that fortress europe, with those mythical pavements cast from pure solid gold was the place to be.
It was also obvious that every ne'er do well worth his weight in heroin would also want to try his luck in countries where, to be frank, you can get away with murder.
Merkel's stupidity has resulted in countries bordering europe putting up the shutters and now we hear that internal borders, free for decades, are now likely to be reimposed.
Far from winning her the nobel prize, this policy will inevitably result in her own demise, will earn germany the emnity of border countries from greece to hungary and beyond and will greatly contribute to the UK leaving the EU at the forthcoming referendum. It may even spell the end of the euro.
The issue now being faced in germany, where so many young men congregate, will not die down. It will only take time before the boredom and frustration of being in a country not renowned for its racial tolerance boils over. As has been mentioned before, the social values of many migrants are incompatible with a liberal society where women are treated equally and it won't be long before the Bild Zeitungs of europe start crying out for stricter controls and more police on the streets.
It's a recipe for disaster that only a politician could have so thoughtlessly have brought about.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11829110)

The Syrian refugee crisis boiled over last year. Merkel was the one European leader who stopped looking the other direction and offered something of a solution. Accepting and integrating that number of refugees was never going to be easy, but that doesn't make it the wrong thing to do.

Originally Posted by dave_j (Post 11829211)

You'll note that I left the moral dimension out of my rant.

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11829227)

Did you?

That's not a moral issue?

So you're putting aside the rights and wrongs while saying you think it was mad, lacking foresight and obviously wrong. :lol:


Nope, no moral dimension there. :lol:
Putting aside rights and wrongs again? ;)


There's that lack of moral dimension again. :lol:

Putting aside the rights and wrongs of course. :rofl:

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 11829062)

You really can't have it both ways. If the young men in Köln were, as reported, intoxicated through drink, then it's somewhat unlikely that they were radical Islamic extremists, isn't it? Intoxicants are haram. Or is there a Koranic exemption for jihadis?

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11829340)

but isn't that exactly what will happen.... some will westernise and adopt many of our vices, and other will dig further into there culture as they try to adapt to there new world view

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11829362)

We want the ones who will adapt. We have laws to deal with those that don't. Here's a follow up story on the Palestinian girl in the news last month. http://youtu.be/TQP4hEBKLxY

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11829407)

The crunch is you can't tell which is which, and in many case's they can't tell you either....
Worst still will be those that look at our flaws and expect us to adapt to there ideals..... only takes a short walk through any major city to see some street Imam preaching the benefit of sharia law

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 11829062)

You really can't have it both ways. If the young men in Köln were, as reported, intoxicated through drink, then it's somewhat unlikely that they were radical Islamic extremists, isn't it? Intoxicants are haram. Or is there a Koranic exemption for jihadis?

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11829463)

I've only been in the UK for a few months, but I've yet to see my first street Imam.

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11829407)

The crunch is you can't tell which is which, and in many case's they can't tell you either....
Worst still will be those that look at our flaws and expect us to adapt to there ideals..... only takes a short walk through any major city to see some street Imam preaching the benefit of sharia law

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11829537)

The solution is to stop funding faith centres through charitable status, reject Saudi money, reject or heavily regulate faith schools and promote secularism.

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11829533)

Count your blessings. ;)

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 11829563)

OK.

Nope, no blessings at all.