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From the BBC Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women - BBC News
"The scale of the attacks on women at the city's central railway station has shocked Germany. About 1,000 drunk and aggressive young men were involved. City police chief Wolfgang Albers called it "a completely new dimension of crime". The men were of Arab or North African appearance, he said." "Women were also targeted in Hamburg." "One British woman visiting Cologne said fireworks had been thrown at her group by men who spoke neither German nor English. "They were trying to hug us, kiss us. One man stole my friend's bag," she told the BBC. "Another tried to get us into his 'private taxi'. I've been in scary and even life-threatening situations and I've never experienced anything like that."" "A policeman who was outside Cologne station during the New Year's Eve trouble told the city's Express news website that he had detained eight suspects. "They were all asylum seekers, carrying copies of their residence certificates," he said." http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1070583.html |
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Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 11828462)
As if you know the first thing about this thread.
As far as I know I've never exchanged POV's with you (plus I'm a very random and infrequent poster) so... how come you know that I know nothing about this thread? For the moment all I know about you is that you're good at 'whataboutery' and now you've proved that you're also good at hyperbole |
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These New Year Eve assaults are growing into a real political storm in Germany. Even the Nachrichten aus Politik, Kultur, Wirtschaft und Sport - Süddeutsche.de (socialist very pro refugee major newspaper) has been adding many new stories in the last couple of hours with many individual stories repeated.
"Everywhere girls were insulted and groped. I've never seen so many howling women - women who were so full of fear." ""Then my girlfriend wrote, if we want to meet at the main train station - it was close. So I tried to wade me towards cathedral side. For the few yards I needed determines a quarter of an hour. In this situation, I noticed for the first time that everything was full of Arab or North African-looking men. One must be careful when you say something, but I really noticed. And I come from social work, I have friends from all sorts of cultures. I stood there and did not understand a word of what was said around me. Again and again suggestive remarks were made. The insults I have but then understood. During the night several times to me said "bitch", "****" and "stupid whore". "Eventually I made it to the vicinity of the subway. In front of a bakery shop, I wanted to wait for my friend. Then I saw a young girl. I remember that they had long blond hair. She was totally crying, had a torn pantyhose, the skirt askew, she was exhausted.:" |
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The odd thing is that anyone was shocked that, if you import hundreds of thousands of young men from countries with no respect for women, they... show no respect for women.
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So we're starting to see the first cultural clashes , which may be step along the way to integration, or a stepping stone to isolation
Just depends on if and how they adapt however the tendency for parts of these culture to run off and join radical jihadist groups means a percentage will not integrate well in the short term ............ Sad part is this 'second class' approach to women has been a problem with non western Islamic countries for a very long time and not something you change over night.... its something the west hasn't got quite right yet in some places either.... I see more to come, but I think I said that many pages ago..... |
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Originally Posted by MarkG
(Post 11828748)
The odd thing is that anyone was shocked that, if you import hundreds of thousands of young men from countries with no respect for women, they... show no respect for women.
that these were nearly all refugees families that were looking for a better way of life rather than lots of young migrant males looking for work |
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Have their been any estimates of the number of males involved in such activities across Germany. I'm guessing it's a very tiny % of the 800,000 refugees, and an even smaller % of Syrians. That doesn't excuse the reprehensible behaviour, and as has been pointed out, should not come as total surprise. Perhaps Germany will have to scale up its policing at such events, they must be quite good at that.
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Cultural clashes? Recent influx of asylum seekers?
Sounds a bit different in later reports. In Cologne, police said the men appeared to have come from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia...smaller groups of men appeared to repeatedly leave the group to target female revellers...hundreds of police were deployed on Thursday night. Questions are being asked as to how they failed to realise until much later that crimes were taking place on such a large scale... Arnold Plickert, head of the police trade union in NRW, told the Deutsche Presse Agentur that the incidents were “of a new quality … What we’ve been able to establish is that this is an organised method.†Police in Hamburg said some aspects of the attackers’ methods were akin to those of skilled pickpockets operating in the city. Officers are working on the assumption that the men had organised their plan of attack. They said many of the perpetrators were known to them and some may have been asylum seekers, though not new arrivals to Germany. |
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I think the events of New Years Eve are finally making many Germans realise that there are some very big risks involved in allowing millions of people to migrate into their country especially as many have different attitudes about what Germans take for granted.
The question is will the German people decide that the risk is worth taking? Will the German people even get a choice? |
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I've posted more than once that the political branch of humanity is self serving, thoughtless and ignorant.
When I first heard that Merkel had announced an open door policy to syrian refugees I thought the woman was mad and completely lacking foresight. Putting aside the rights or wrongs of the policy, the inevitable consequences of such a decision were blindingly obvious to me. I wasn't in the least surprised when every man and his dog from just about everywhere decided that fortress europe, with those mythical pavements cast from pure solid gold was the place to be. It was also obvious that every ne'er do well worth his weight in heroin would also want to try his luck in countries where, to be frank, you can get away with murder. Merkel's stupidity has resulted in countries bordering europe putting up the shutters and now we hear that internal borders, free for decades, are now likely to be reimposed. Far from winning her the nobel prize, this policy will inevitably result in her own demise, will earn germany the emnity of border countries from greece to hungary and beyond and will greatly contribute to the UK leaving the EU at the forthcoming referendum. It may even spell the end of the euro. The issue now being faced in germany, where so many young men congregate, will not die down. It will only take time before the boredom and frustration of being in a country not renowned for its racial tolerance boils over. As has been mentioned before, the social values of many migrants are incompatible with a liberal society where women are treated equally and it won't be long before the Bild Zeitungs of europe start crying out for stricter controls and more police on the streets. It's a recipe for disaster that only a politician could have so thoughtlessly have brought about. |
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Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 11828991)
I've posted more than once that the political branch of humanity is self serving, thoughtless and ignorant.
When I first heard that Merkel had announced an open door policy to syrian refugees I thought the woman was mad and completely lacking foresight. Putting aside the rights or wrongs of the policy, the inevitable consequences of such a decision were blindingly obvious to me. I wasn't in the least surprised when every man and his dog from just about everywhere decided that fortress europe, with those mythical pavements cast from pure solid gold was the place to be. It was also obvious that every ne'er do well worth his weight in heroin would also want to try his luck in countries where, to be frank, you can get away with murder. Merkel's stupidity has resulted in countries bordering europe putting up the shutters and now we hear that internal borders, free for decades, are now likely to be reimposed. Far from winning her the nobel prize, this policy will inevitably result in her own demise, will earn germany the emnity of border countries from greece to hungary and beyond and will greatly contribute to the UK leaving the EU at the forthcoming referendum. It may even spell the end of the euro. The issue now being faced in germany, where so many young men congregate, will not die down. It will only take time before the boredom and frustration of being in a country not renowned for its racial tolerance boils over. As has been mentioned before, the social values of many migrants are incompatible with a liberal society where women are treated equally and it won't be long before the Bild Zeitungs of europe start crying out for stricter controls and more police on the streets. It's a recipe for disaster that only a politician could have so thoughtlessly have brought about. Have you ever lived in Germany? |
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I have lived and worked in Germany and have a good feel for how germans think. Have you?
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Originally Posted by dave_j
(Post 11829011)
I have lived and worked in Germany and have a good feel for how germans think. Have you?
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Originally Posted by MikeUK
(Post 11828751)
So we're starting to see the first cultural clashes , which may be step along the way to integration, or a stepping stone to isolation
Just depends on if and how they adapt however the tendency for parts of these culture to run off and join radical jihadist groups means a percentage will not integrate well in the short term ............ Sad part is this 'second class' approach to women has been a problem with non western Islamic countries for a very long time and not something you change over night.... its something the west hasn't got quite right yet in some places either.... I see more to come, but I think I said that many pages ago..... |
Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
Originally Posted by Oakvillian
(Post 11829062)
Or is there a Koranic exemption for jihadis?
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