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JamesM Jan 7th 2016 2:08 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
This thread is diabolical.

Let it die.

Former Lancastrian Jan 7th 2016 2:10 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11830744)
So those who have spent years in the camps but since resettled are migrants. Righto....

No they are Convention Refugees as far as Canada is concerned.

Former Lancastrian Jan 7th 2016 2:13 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11830754)
This thread is diabolical.

Let it die.

It will only die when people understand the difference between the following;

1. Convention Refugee
2. Protected Person
3. Person who is neither 1 or 2.

JamesM Jan 7th 2016 2:16 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 11830761)
It will only die when people understand the difference between the following;

1. Convention Refugee
2. Protected Person
3. Person who is neither 1 or 2.

Yawn.

Former Lancastrian Jan 7th 2016 2:26 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11830765)
Yawn.

You should have left Hooters earlier and got a good nights sleep if you are tired.

paw339 Jan 7th 2016 3:31 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
video of 2 Serbian police officers being surrounded and attacked by asylum seekers. 2 asylum seekers aid policeman.

Srpski policajci se grudvaju sa decom izbeglicama u Å idu | N1 Srbija

Tirytory Jan 7th 2016 3:33 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11830811)
video of 2 Serbian police officers being surrounded and attacked by asylum seekers. 2 asylum seekers aid policeman.

Srpski policajci se grudvaju sa decom izbeglicama u Å idu | N1 Srbija

I get the impression from your posts that you do nothing but search for bad news. I hope not because that would be pretty depressing if true:unsure:

MikeUK Jan 7th 2016 3:43 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 11830761)
It will only die when people understand the difference between the following; 1. Convention Refugee2. Protected Person3. Person who is neither 1 or 2.

And from your professional perspective, which would group would you put those;

That have arrived in Europe using people smugglers, that would I think includes those arriving across the sea from turkey in boats and rafts
Those walking/driving across borders to avoiding registration

dbd33 Jan 7th 2016 3:44 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11830811)
video of 2 Serbian police officers being surrounded and attacked by asylum seekers. 2 asylum seekers aid policeman.

Srpski policajci se grudvaju sa decom izbeglicama u Å idu | N1 Srbija

Refugees in some good people, some not, shocker!

MikeUK Jan 7th 2016 3:45 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11830744)
So those who have spent years in the camps but since resettled are migrants. Righto....

If they settle via the right UNCHR methods..... refugees
no issue with the legal processes

dbd33 Jan 7th 2016 3:51 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11830832)
If they settle via the right UNCHR methods.....

I feel derelict in having failed to study the procedures. If there were to be anarchy in Ontario tomorrow such that I feared for my life, I'd probably flee by lying that I was just popping over the border to visit Premier Wines and never come back. A well founded fear of persecution would, for me, trump any lack of procedural propriety. I see now that, in case of emergency, everyone should stay current with the UNHCR documentation.

MikeUK Jan 7th 2016 3:57 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 11830842)
I feel derelict in having failed to study the procedures. If there were to be anarchy in Ontario tomorrow such that I feared for my life, I'd probably flee by lying that I was just popping over the border to visit Premier Wines and never come back. A well founded fear of persecution would, for me, trump any lack of procedural propriety. I see now that, in case of emergency, everyone should stay current with the UNHCR documentation.

But if you did just run south in light of anarchy and failed to ask for asylum at the US border
Would you be surprised, if caught, that you might get sent right back or put in some compound as an illegal ....
as I believe that what happens to Mexicans, who might have some reason to leave ?

Former Lancastrian Jan 7th 2016 3:59 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11830827)
And from your professional perspective, which would group would you put those;

That have arrived in Europe using people smugglers, that would I think includes those arriving across the sea from turkey in boats and rafts
Those walking/driving across borders to avoiding registration

Those are for Canadian legislation people seeking protection i.e. a Protected Person as defined by section 97 of IRPA. They are not registering with the UNHCR as Convention Refugees and living in UNHCR camps.
The other argument is that these crossing the borders are not seeking refuge in the 1st safe country they arrive in hence the complaints of those arriving in Germany, the UK, France and Sweden where it is argued that these countries offer more to the protected persons or migrants than say Hungary, Poland and a few others.
South Sudan is a country just affected as Syria but I haven't heard from the PCs or Libs that they want to bring 25,000 Sudanese refugees in or how many Iraqis or Afghanis or Somalians or a few other countries.

BristolUK Jan 7th 2016 4:05 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 11830755)
No they are Convention Refugees as far as Canada is concerned.

I was being sarcastic. ;)

dbd33 Jan 7th 2016 4:09 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11830847)
But if you did just run south in light of anarchy and failed to ask for asylum at the US border
Would you be surprised, if caught, that you might get sent right back or put in some compound as an illegal ....
as I believe that what happens to Mexicans, who might have some reason to leave ?

I would not take the chance that some oik in a booth who probably doesn't like Londoners would properly assess my claim. I'd go for immediate safety and deal with the administrivia later.


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