Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

the hard cold reality is that its the migrants that have the problem

The EU isn't starving or going to die of cold, its just thinking charity starts at home......


Tell me....when you start helping.... how many before you have to say no..... or do you sink with them but have happy moral smile while you collapse into chaos.. :unsure:

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Not actually... ever though why don't they avoid the boats the walking and travel by plane... many can afford it?

what is it, that makes them throw away the passports and have a 'need' to travel as illegals

one might suggest they already know they don't have claim or right and clearly know if they used a passport they'd fail the refugee claim and be sent home....

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Dunno. Could be that they've maxed out their credit cards on a new three piece suite before a barrel bomb killed half their family. Probably some Syrians have flown to Ankara, those are not the ones we are seeing making the overland trek.

You seem to think this refugee crisis is some sort of grand conspiracy. It's not. There are 4 million displaced in camps in Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan. Who knows the circumstances they had to go through to get there.

My guess is that many Syrians do have their papers (along with their Amex cards and Gucci shoes). Who would figure?!

No one is disputing that there are illegitimate migrants that are joining the exodus. At the moment the numbers are not known because not enough people have been processed. However those non-refugee migrants are irrelevant to the discussion. The issue is the thousands of vulnerable people, whose origin can and will be identified through papers or cross questioning, and who should be given refuge.

Some economic migrants will get thru (no question) but that's not the end of the world either. It's a 'cost' of doing the right thing vis a vis the genuine refugees.

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

The chaos developing at the Croatian/Slovenian/Serbian border is a direct result of Merkel's stupid open door policy statements. If she had said Germany will fully implement the Dublin regulations; not allowing anyone to claim asylum if they had travelled through a safe country whilst allowing a couple of hundred thousand refugees a year to travel directly to Germany from camps in the middle east this chaos would not be happening and there wouldn't be a huge rise in xenophobia.

Germany will eventually be forced to close its borders and/or more Hungary type fences (imo), probably after Merkel has been forced to resign (possibly next month), but not before turning Germany into a lot nastier place. It's even possible Merkel will be responsible for the ending the current Asylum system completely with it becoming acceptable for western countries to put absolute limits on Asylum numbers.

I wouldn't be surprised if there will be a massive loss of life in a refugee centre in Germany/Sweden before the year is out unless things are brought under control . Sweden has just announced that in future the location of refugee hostels will be a state secret because of rising attacks.

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

I hope that you are wrong.

It's hard to say whether Merkel's statements backfired or not. Perhaps she was hoping other members of the EU would follow Germany's lead. It's also uncertain how much her statements contributed to the flow growth. There were plenty of boats arriving as far back as April, and Merkel made announcements in August.

The rise of the far right is another matter. It's something society has to address.

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Then you've not been following too well
The vast majority of the land crossing don't have papers... so they can't be sent back...
that is why its so much easier for the authorities to let them move forward, as its near impossible to push them back even one country without papers
Whilst they travel without papers and flout the law no nation will feel obligate to help... this nightmare is of their own making...

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It's nice to see all the "refugees"? are so grateful for all the help they are being given.
When faced with delays in Slovenia the "refugees" burnt down their tents in protest then took selfies (with victory sign) in front of burning tents.

Slowenien: Migranten zünden Zelte in Lager an - Lage eskaliert - Welt - krone.at

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A piece from Die Krone? Really, is the best you can do? That has about as much credibility in Austria as a piece of social commentary as something from the Daily Express would in England.

C-. Must try harder.

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Just for you then from the BBC

Migrants 'torch tents' in Slovenia camp

They torched the tents at the camp in Brezice to protest at the slow process of registering them and moving them to the Austrian border, witnesses said.

Migrants 'torch tents' in Slovenia camp - BBC News

Or do you believe this story was faked?

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

It's all ok now JT is sorting out the refugee crisis.

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John Terry? :rofl:

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Silly me I thought JT stood for John Travolta :lol:

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I was aware this was a real story. My criticism was of the commentary in the Krone piece. My German is not that good, but the gist of the piece was virulently xenophobic. The BBC gives a much more balanced view of the issue, for example pointing out that some of their grievances appear to have some basis in fact - while it is not the fault of the Slovenian authorities that they have been overwhelmed (20,000 incoming migrants last weekend, for example) due to border closures in neighbouring countries, it is an inescapable truth that corralling people into large camps and not ensuring adequate provision of food and water is likely to result in unrest.

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I think the issue is becoming a local perception of "why are they so ungrateful for what we can give" when many locals are starting to believe they should be pushed from one 'no mans land' to the next 'no mans land' bypassing their state... >>bussed between borders >>
You're right this will/has lead towards unrest, I suspect the migrants will be first to a major kick off, and I suspect the police might also be heavy handed in sorting it out... what will be more problematic is if its a right wing local group that kicks back and how involved the local police will choose to be if that happens, so far both sides have stuck to burning buildings

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My German is also very rusty. But does it not concern you that some of these refugees seem to feel it is acceptable to commit arson and then glorify themselves in the damage they have caused if they don't get every thing they want? From what I could understand the big issue was just the fact they were being delayed in their travelling onward. So what happens if they aren't happy when they get to Germany/Sweden because they haven't been given everything they want?

I spend far too long last night reading German/Austrian newspapers and what was most worrying to me was the ever growing gulf between the political establishment including many of the newspaper editors/contributors and their readers. That gulf is becoming dangerous because those that don't agree with the unlimited open door policy often don't have a mainstream non xenophobic party to support and the political establishment is trying to shut down any critical comments. The most interesting comments I read yesterday were from a German Green party mayor who said it was important to allow open discussion about refugee limits and policy otherwise a dangerous situation would develop. The attempt to silence him by some of his fellow Green party leaders was very telling.