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Oakvillian Oct 2nd 2015 4:45 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11762322)
Well I was talking with one of my colleagues based in Prague .. with all the border crossing and trains impacted by this crises, and 'local' free movement of Eastern Europeans made much more difficult, tolerance for the immigrants is getting thinner
It doesn't help with them needing food, and not always getting it legally, and there not famous for leaving there stops as they found them....
... think of UK travellers or gypos... but in the 100's of thousands...
the one group that is benefiting form there presence is the far right political organizations, and I'm sure they'll be as helpful as possible to ensure they maximise the value of all this

FFS man, listen to yourself. It'd be so much simpler if they'd all just starve to death, I suppose, wouldn't it?

Tirytory Oct 2nd 2015 12:51 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
My children are tucked up in bed...

Where the children sleep - Där barnen sover - Ett fotoprojekt av Magnus Wennman

bats Oct 2nd 2015 1:33 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11762322)
Well I was talking with one of my colleagues based in Prague .. with all the border crossing and trains impacted by this crises, and 'local' free movement of Eastern Europeans made much more difficult, tolerance for the immigrants is getting thinner
It doesn't help with them needing food, and not always getting it legally, and there not famous for leaving there stops as they found them....
... think of UK travellers or gypos... but in the 100's of thousands...
the one group that is benefiting form there presence is the far right political organizations, and I'm sure they'll be as helpful as possible to ensure they maximise the value of all this

Do you intend your post the help the far right? Because it will

MarkG Oct 2nd 2015 5:49 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11763698)
Do you intend your post the help the far right? Because it will

Few things help nationalists more than flooding their country with foreigners who have no desire to assimilate.

Few utopian ideals last more than three generations--the first believe them, the second tolerate them, the third tear them down--and multiculturalism is into its third generation now. It'll be dead and buried well before I am.

Shard Oct 2nd 2015 6:14 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Tirytory (Post 11763684)

Very hard to look at those photographs.

BristolUK Oct 2nd 2015 11:34 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 11763760)
Few things help nationalists more than flooding their country with foreigners who have no desire to assimilate.

You have an unusual take on flooding.Not to mention it's only a minority who may not fully integrate.

bats Oct 3rd 2015 3:08 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 11763760)
Few things help nationalists more than flooding their country with foreigners who have no desire to assimilate.

Few utopian ideals last more than three generations--the first believe them, the second tolerate them, the third tear them down--and multiculturalism is into its third generation now. It'll be dead and buried well before I am.

How do you know that they have no desire to assimilate?

Hmm, maybe they spend hours on a website talking to other people from their own country? Damn foreigners

JamesM Oct 3rd 2015 5:10 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 11763760)
Few things help nationalists more than flooding their country with foreigners who have no desire to assimilate.

Few utopian ideals last more than three generations--the first believe them, the second tolerate them, the third tear them down--and multiculturalism is into its third generation now. It'll be dead and buried well before I am.

Do you think assimilation is a two way process?

We seem to be relatively well integrated in Toronto but with some levels of segregation all be it probably more for convenience of utility than any hostile reason.

paw339 Oct 7th 2015 4:03 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
Been travelling in Europe for just over a week. I was shocked at the rising anti refugee feelings from so many people. The most interesting conversation was from a visible minority taxi driver who made the comment after a news story "that unless the migrant flow was brought under control and most migrants sent back it would put back race relations 30 years".

Shard Oct 7th 2015 4:22 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11766913)
Been travelling in Europe for just over a week. I was shocked at the rising anti refugee feelings from so many people. The most interesting conversation was from a visible minority taxi driver who made the comment after a news story "that unless the migrant flow was brought under control and most migrants sent back it would put back race relations 30 years".

There will be challenges, but we in Europe better get used to it. The times are a changin'. The important debate is integration.

paw339 Oct 7th 2015 4:45 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11766927)
There will be challenges, but we in Europe better get used to it. The times are a changin'. The important debate is integration.

Integration won't happen if the numbers are too large, you just get ghettos.

Shard Oct 7th 2015 5:37 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11766941)
Integration won't happen if the numbers are too large, you just get ghettos.

An issue, to be sure. One of the biggest obstacles at present are faith based schools - eliminating those would be a good start, indeed, almost a precondition.

Oakvillian Oct 7th 2015 5:51 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11766988)
An issue, to be sure. One of the biggest obstacles at present are faith based schools - eliminating those would be a good start, indeed, almost a precondition.

I don't disagree that faith-based schools are prone to insularity of world-view and likely to be part of the problem, but eliminating them in the UK woudl be hugely difficult. Nor is it necessarily the right approach. Don't forget, the UK is a country that has a constitutionally established religion, whose head of state is also head of that religion, and where CofE schools (where the local parish priest or PCC chair is ex officio a governor) are still prevalent especially at junior level. While most church schools no longer exclude non-adherents to the Anglican creed, their very existence creates a basis in law for other faith schools to operate, some of which may be rather more prone to ghettoization (if that's a word).

I think many of us on these forums are quite familiar with your views on organized religion. But religion, and religious instruction, are not necessarily damaging in and of themselves. When the tone of instruction becomes extremist, when religious leaders call for crusades, or jihads, or pogroms, or any other take on my-god-is-better-than-your-god nonsense, that's when it becomes dangerous, and that (prevention of the preaching of hatred and intolerance in all its various forms) is what presents the biggest problem.

Shard Oct 7th 2015 6:12 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Oakvillian (Post 11767003)
I don't disagree that faith-based schools are prone to insularity of world-view and likely to be part of the problem, but eliminating them in the UK woudl be hugely difficult. Nor is it necessarily the right approach. Don't forget, the UK is a country that has a constitutionally established religion, whose head of state is also head of that religion, and where CofE schools (where the local parish priest or PCC chair is ex officio a governor) are still prevalent especially at junior level. While most church schools no longer exclude non-adherents to the Anglican creed, their very existence creates a basis in law for other faith schools to operate, some of which may be rather more prone to ghettoization (if that's a word).

I think many of us on these forums are quite familiar with your views on organized religion. But religion, and religious instruction, are not necessarily damaging in and of themselves. When the tone of instruction becomes extremist, when religious leaders call for crusades, or jihads, or pogroms, or any other take on my-god-is-better-than-your-god nonsense, that's when it becomes dangerous, and that (prevention of the preaching of hatred and intolerance in all its various forms) is what presents the biggest problem.

A constitutional change to pencil in when we change monarch, then? I accept that many faith schools are relatively benign (eg. CofE, Jewish) and are certainly viewed as a god given right by the parents of their attendees, nevertheless for a cohesive society, religious convictions need to be reduced if not eliminated. Blair went in completely the wrong direction with his 'solution' to the historical bias. But he's a religious nutter so I would expect no less.

Oakvillian Oct 7th 2015 6:26 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11767027)
Blair went in completely the wrong direction

If I were writing his biography I'd be tempted to persuade my publisher that this is the perfect title for his time in office and since...


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