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BristolUK Sep 25th 2015 4:36 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11757677)
...Should they cross another border because they don't want to accept the help offered at that point...that moral obligation goes away

If one ignores the point made previously about wanting to get 'well away' as opposed to just away.

If they are under genuine threat in Syria and Iraq the threat doesn't disappear just because they crossed a border into Turkey. Travel advice is still against parts of Turkey as much as Iraq and Syria and, don't forget, there is still an ISIS network in Turkey. I don't imagine ISIS bullets, knives and bombs lose their effectiveness just because they crossed a border.


If we consider that many have paid criminal 'people' smugglers and essentially knowingly broken the law
Just like many other genuine asylum seekers (including those arriving somewhere by plane) have over decades because it's been the only way for them.

MikeUK Sep 25th 2015 7:10 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11757845)
If they are under genuine threat in Syria and Iraq the threat doesn't disappear just because they crossed a border into Turkey. Travel advice is still against parts of Turkey as much as Iraq and Syria and, don't forget, there is still an ISIS network in Turkey. I don't imagine ISIS bullets, knives and bombs lose their effectiveness just because they crossed a border.

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On that I call BS..

There is an ISIS network in the UK and France too.... we all know about Charlie Hebbo

but there isn't a civil war in Turkey.... but there are active functional refugee stations there

Your rational doesn't hold water !

BristolUK Sep 25th 2015 9:42 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 11757943)
There is an ISIS network in the UK and France too....

Turkey is the route by which ISIS recruits travel, obviously assisted.
In July, 250 ISIS members were arrested in Turkey.
ISIS bombings and other attacks have taken place in Turkey. That's just a little different to France and the UK, no?


but there isn't a civil war in Turkey.... but there are active functional refugee stations there. Your rational doesn't hold water !
Well that's okay then. There's no civil war. Just attacks from ISIS.

I don't suppose that ISIS would be in the least bit interested in targeting potential recruits to their 'cause' who have actually rejected them. No policy of massacre against those who reject them at all. Oh no.

paw339 Sep 26th 2015 8:46 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
1 in 3 'Syrian' refugees have fake IDs, German authorities admit

1 in 3 'Syrian' refugees have fake IDs, German authorities admit — RT News

Stinkypup Sep 26th 2015 9:08 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11758508)
1 in 3 'Syrian' refugees have fake IDs, German authorities admit

1 in 3 'Syrian' refugees have fake IDs, German authorities admit — RT News

I'm shocked:rofl:

"The most recent EU stats estimate Syrians make up about 20 percent of refugees coming to the EU, but at some border crossings 90 percent claim to be from Syria."

I'm doubly shocked!:rofl:

BristolUK Sep 26th 2015 11:32 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
Since when did Russian State Funded News become a respected resource? :lol:

Their estimates appear to be double those of elsewhere.

paw339 Sep 26th 2015 12:24 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11758570)
Since when did Russian State Funded News become a respected resource? :lol:

Their estimates appear to be double those of elsewhere.

The're not the source the're just quoting German authorities. I've read elsewhere that for "new Syrian refugees" the % using false documents is now over 50%.

BristolUK Sep 26th 2015 1:36 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11758583)
The're not the source the're just quoting German authorities. I've read elsewhere that for "new Syrian refugees" the % using false documents is now over 50%.

And I read sources NOT Russian State Funded also quoting German authorities and they were half what the Russian State Funded news was saying.

So which source are we to believe when there is such wild variation when quoting the same official source? ;)

paw339 Sep 26th 2015 1:46 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11758602)
And I read sources NOT Russian State Funded also quoting German authorities and they were half what the Russian State Funded news was saying.

So which source are we to believe when there is such wild variation when quoting the same official source? ;)

You'll probably find all the sources are correct. Initially most of those claiming to be Syrian Refugees were in fact Syrian Refugees but since Merkel's welcoming speech the % of false Syrians has been climbing rapidly so its probably just a question of when and where the measurement was taken.

I've found RT news at least as independent as the BBC and often more so, with the exception of some very specific Russian news areas where it follows the party line.

BristolUK Sep 26th 2015 2:03 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11758606)
I've found RT news at least as independent as the BBC and often more so, with the exception of some very specific Russian news areas where it follows the party line.

Given current Russian involvement in Syria perhaps that explains the discrepancy. :unsure:

el_richo Sep 26th 2015 3:26 pm

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 11758602)
So which source are we to believe when there is such wild variation when quoting the same official source? ;)

Folks will believe what they want to believe, and shit all over other anything else.

Luckily this forum has mostly impartial, well thought out, and fairly accurate comments and opinions :amen:

JamesM Sep 28th 2015 6:10 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
If People Could Immigrate Anywhere, Would Poverty Be Eliminated? - The Atlantic

paw339 Sep 28th 2015 6:33 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 
I think the authors are living in La La land if they really think that a truly open border wouldn't reduce wages and destroy living standards for the 90% in a place like Canada or the UK.

JamesM Sep 28th 2015 6:50 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by paw339 (Post 11759879)
I think the authors are living in La La land if they really think that a truly open border wouldn't reduce wages and destroy living standards for the 90% in a place like Canada or the UK.

The economic theory is highly sound actually.

Just out of interest do you think living standards are high in Canada and the UK?

paw339 Sep 28th 2015 7:26 am

Re: Syrian refugee crisis.
 

Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 11759900)
The economic theory is highly sound actually.

Just out of interest do you think living standards are high in Canada and the UK?

Compared to where most of the worlds population lives, yes the living standards are high.

The problem the authors don't address is that with truly open borders the numbers of people involved would be huge. 8 thousand people a day are walking across Europe to get to Germany. What numbers do you think Canada would get if you could just buy a ticket on a Charter flight? What about housing? Housing is already unaffordable for the majority unless you already own.


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